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[willemijns]

> roams on Vodafone DE, O2 DE and (due to so-called steering of roaming) after the fourth attempt to manually select Telekom DE (formerly known as T-Mobile).

seems vodafone has """troubles""" with gistorical MNOs ^^ same trouble in France with orange... not an hazard !!!
[/list][*]"UK"

• IMSI prefix: 234-26 (Lycamobile UK)
• cannot roam on any German network - very likely restricted to O2 UK
  
  of course... same in FRance, no access to bouygus telecom competitors
  
  

[*]"Germany"[list][*]IMSI prefix: 262-43 (Lycamobile DE)[*]registers only on Vodafone DE (Lycamobile DE's home network)

of course, your IMSI does the same as a lycamobile DE sim card ! they use their own full-MVNO tariffs...

> By this operators try to steer subscribers onto the preferred network.

cost of roaming are expensive i suppose... oups it is more realistic than a supposition ^^

[inquisitor]

Originally Posted by willemijns

cost of roaming are expensive i suppose... oups it is more realistic than a supposition

I wouldn't say that roaming is that expensive, but given the low mobile termination fees in most toggle countries and the lack of roaming fees for inbound calls, Lyca definitely needs to keep an eye on roaming costs. Hence they will need to steer roaming traffic to those network on which they have the best wholesale conditions. Since roaming with the global IMSI is obviously bought from Vodafone NL (they actually supply the global IMSI), who in turn preferably use other Vodafone networks, it's not surprising that you cannot register on some network, at least not immediately.
I'm rather surprised that you can still use the global IMSI within a toggle country even if you have a national IMSI from the corresponding country. Once a subscriber has obtained a national IMSI by ordering a local number, roaming through the global IMSI should be blocked in that particular country in order to save costs.
With FreeTimeTelecom the global IMSI did not register in Germany, where they had a local IMSI from now defunct vistream/Telogic Germany. But I guess for toggle it's way more complicated because you would need to define allowed roaming networks for each subscriber individually based on each subscriber's activated local numbers/IMSIs and then you would need to permanently update Vodafone NL's HLR with these records.

@NFH
Have you tried registering on the British networks through the global IMSI?

[NFH]

Originally Posted by inquisitor

@NFH
Have you tried registering on the British networks through the global IMSI?

I'd be delighted to try if you can explain how. I have registered a temporary Polish number.

[willemijns]

> Since roaming with the global IMSI is obviously bought from Vodafone NL (they actually supply the global IMSI), who in turn preferably use other Vodafone networks, it's not surprising that you cannot register on some network, at least not immediately.

i'm not agree... i have a delightmobile based on KPN NL... i always have access
to the #1, #1 and #3 FR netwiorks.

i know vodafone is affilied in some parts with SFR France but it is not a good reason !

[UKSTEVE]

[QUOTE=inquisitor;42059]I wouldn't say that roaming is that expensive, but given the low mobile termination fees in most toggle countries and the lack of roaming fees for inbound calls, Lyca definitely needs to keep an eye on roaming costs."

No necessarily Inquisitor - if Lycamobile has volume traffic deals with cellcos in various countries, then the Toggle traffic will help to raise the volume at minimal cost to them.

Also, don't forget that this traffic is cream as far as the local cellcos are concerned, since they will generate their OWN MTR revenues from at last some of the traffic.

Toggle is very much a low-cost value-added service for all concerned IMHO.

+Steve

[inquisitor]

It's hardly surprising that toggle now blocks roaming through the "Roaming" IMSI for those countries you have an IMSI from. I would rather assume that there were technical reasons why this barring hasn't been implemented earlier and not legal/contractual ones. You probably remember what I wrote in February in this regard:

Originally Posted by inquisitor

I'm rather surprised that you can still use the global IMSI within a toggle country even if you have a national IMSI from the corresponding country. Once a subscriber has obtained a national IMSI by ordering a local number, roaming through the global IMSI should be blocked in that particular country in order to save costs.
With FreeTimeTelecom the global IMSI did not register in Germany, where they had a local IMSI from now defunct vistream/Telogic Germany. But I guess for toggle it's way more complicated because you would need to define allowed roaming networks for each subscriber individually based on each subscriber's activated local numbers/IMSIs and then you would need to permanently update Vodafone NL's HLR with these records.

[willemijns]

IMHO i think this barring was recent and during the last negociation, lycatel has asked to better filter network and countries.

in any case, it is always b€tt€r than a lycatel customer use a country partner
with his own lycatel MCC/MNC code

[inquisitor]

Originally Posted by willemijns

IMHO i think this barring was recent and during the last negociation, lycatel has asked to better filter network and countries.

Interesting.

Btw, according to this German forum post toggle has recently enabled data roaming for the Roaming IMSI, though the observed charge of £0.66/MB seems a bit high. Can anyone confirm this?
Having a German IMSI and being out of reach of foreign networks I cannot test is myself.

[UKSTEVE]

From discussions I've seen elsewhere, it seems that Toggle has tightened up its roaming and diversion processes over the last six weeks.

As well as blocking same-country diverts using the usual *21# etc GSM divert codes within the designated home country (as defined by the registered IMSIs on the SIM card - e.g. O2 to UK Toggle number, SFR to French Toggle number etc) the company has also applied quite rigorous roaming steerage where the SIM card has a user-applied local country IMSI registered (for 30 days or 12 months as appropriate).

Where the card has not been pro-actively registered for use in a given country - other than, of course, its Toggle home country of the UK or the Netherlands, then the SIM cards should (famous last words) roam on to all relevant networks, but at the `normal' (and not discounted) roaming rates of 28 cents a minute.

Hope this info assist... Steve

[willemijns]

Originally Posted by UKSTEVE

Hope this info assist... Steve

if i well understood, you confirm my comments ?