Poland: More new MVNO's: Telepin Mobi & 36.6

[Motel75]

Originally Posted by Przemolog

Telepin's access number rate 0.49/0.39 in promotion is not so good also because moreless the same destination may be reached from Orange SIMs via 7081 dialthrough numbers at 0.35 PLN/min.

Can any Orange user just call 7081 and then place a call at the prompt, or is there more to it than that? Are there similar dialthrough numbers for other networks?

Originally Posted by Przemolog

However, there many numbers "recycled".

How does number portability affect prepaid? I read that TPSA had implemented portability in 2006, but it doesn't seem to be offered by any mobile provider...

[ms93]

Originally Posted by Motel75

Can any Orange user just call 7081 and then place a call at the prompt, or is there more to it than that? Are there similar dialthrough numbers for other networks?

708 numbers don't work in other networks. Only fixed lines and Orange.
There's many 7081 services, for example two:
http://www.0708188377.pl/zasieg.htm (telefonia stacjonarna - fixed line, tak - yes)
http://telefon.onet.pl/onettelefon.html (Obsługiwane kraje - operated countries, także telefony komórkowe - also mobiles)

You just call 708188377, 708177800 or something like that, enter number starting with 00 + country code + number (eg. 0048221234567) and call. It's 0,35zl per minute.

[Motel75]

Originally Posted by ms93

708 numbers don't work in other networks. Only fixed lines and Orange.
There's many 7081 services, for example two:
http://www.0708188377.pl/zasieg.htm (telefonia stacjonarna - fixed line, tak - yes)
http://telefon.onet.pl/onettelefon.html (Obsługiwane kraje - operated countries, także telefony komórkowe - also mobiles)

You just call 708188377, 708177800 or something like that, enter number starting with 00 + country code + number (eg. 0048221234567) and call. It's 0,35zl per minute.

Hmmm, I got an Orange Pop card to try this out, and neither of the above worked. Are you sure that some of these services work over Orange?

[Przemolog]

Originally Posted by Motel75

Hmmm, I got an Orange Pop card to try this out, and neither of the above worked. Are you sure that some of these services work over Orange?

I think you tried it in the Orange coverage, not in roaming?
Anyway, here is the price list and T&C for special numbers availability from Orange:

http://www.orange.pl/binaries/PL/Bin...94/2759348.pdf

Basically it's a "neverending promotion" in which the following connections are enabled

300,700,701,708 - premium rate (shared revenue) - charging per minute
4009,3009,7009,7019,7080 - premium rate (shared revenue) - charging per call
801, 804 - shared cost infolines - charging per minute (the same rate as landlines)
00800/+800 - international toll free - charging per minute (the same rate as landlines)
800 - national freephone - free

All the "per minute" special numbers are charged 60/60 not 1/1 as regular numbers and barred in roaming.

The key issue is "§ 3 item 3."

PTK Centertel sp. z o.o. nie ponosi odpowiedzialnosci za brak mozliwosci połaczenia z numerami usług audiotekstowych oraz numerami
infolinii miedzynarodowych, jezeli brak takiej mozliwosci wynika z zasad okreslonych przez dostawce usług (Service Providera), bedacego
podmiotem niezaleznym od PTK Centertel sp. z o.o.

Translation

PTK Centertel sp. z o.o. is not responsible for lack of possibility of connection to "audiotext services" and international infolines, if that lack of possibility results from the rules defing by the Service Provider, being a company independent from PTK Centertel sp. z o.o.

It seems that the numbers I knew that they had worked, are not available anymore from Orange

The only one still working is 708 208 108 http://www.alenumer.pl/index.php?id=wykaz_komorki
but it costs 1.28 PLN/min and connects also to mobile phones is CPP countries.

[Przemolog]

Originally Posted by Motel75

How does number portability affect prepaid? I read that TPSA had implemented portability in 2006, but it doesn't seem to be offered by any mobile provider...

Yes, mobile portability is also available, also for prepaids. It costs about 50-60 PLN. Prepaids have to be registered, however (via a paper or www form, depeding on the operator).

And this is the only point when you can really see that Heyah, Sami Swoi and 36.6 are not real MVNO's - it's impossible to port a number from them to Era/Plus or vice versa. Of course, it's because the law doesn't force to make it possible, not for technical reasons. Heyah to Era portability was announced a few weeks ago, but it was cancelled. The only workaround to port numbers between fake MVNOs and their "host" operators is to use an "intermediate" operator, but it doubles th costs, of course.