New International Card With +372 Prefix

[dg7feq]

Originally Posted by Przemolog

Why did you name European numbers of international SIMs "premium rate" ones ???
AFAIR you have once used this term with regard to FL numbers.
They are just mobile numbers!

And all your idea seems a little strange to me. You get an opportunity not to pay for incoming calls in 36 countries. However, you want to pay for forwarded incoming calls US->Estonia mobile (or premium rate, if you wish ) anyway, only because your German friends would pay too much :whistle: .
Relax, Europe is all CPP and that's nothing strange here that calls to mobile phones are more expensive . Since you are available on the mobile number, then it's obvious that people who call you must pay for this.

The number range (423-662) that UM/Riiing is using are used as a premium service in Liechtenstein as well (Teleshop, dialers, etc). Thats why for example german providers charge about 30ct more for caling UM numbers than other Liechtenstein Networks.
Therefor premium rate is at least valid for UM

Chris

[Przemolog]

Originally Posted by dg7feq

The number range (423-662) that UM/Riiing is using are used as a premium service in Liechtenstein as well (Teleshop, dialers, etc). Thats why for example german providers charge about 30ct more for caling UM numbers than other Liechtenstein Networks.
Therefor premium rate is at least valid for UM

Chris

UM range is 423 663 not 423 662 (or, is it your typo?).
Anyway, what are regulations for international pricing premium rate numbers? Any ITU document or something?

[dg7feq]

Originally Posted by Przemolog

UM range is 423 663 not 423 662 (or, is it your typo?).
Anyway, what are regulations for international pricing premium rate numbers? Any ITU document or something?

Yes, typo. Sorry - i was using the pda and the keyboard is soooo small :P
I dont know the regulations for this numbers. I just know that german premium-numbers (0900x, 012xx, 018x - ranges) are usually not reachable from outside country if you dont sign a special agreement with your number provider and pay inbound costs for international calls on these numbers.

Chris

[Przemolog]

Originally Posted by Stu

I appreciate the difference between a caller pays mobile number and a "premium rate" number in the British sense of the word. It is not an 0900 number. To the extent that I chose that word, I let myself open for the criticism.

OK, I realise what you meant. Simply I don't see any "premium" in the numbers under consideration . If you called to a "regular" Estonian mobile number, you would pay the same (probably high) rate but you wouldn't say it's "premium"

Originally Posted by Stu

My sole point is and always was that despite the EU, each country is still a seperate entity. Calling a caller pays mobile in a neighboring country is not the same as telling a New Yorker to call an Ohio mobile. If I were to ask a Brit would you rather have my French number or my US one, they both reach me equally as well, the Brit would say which one is cheaper to call.

I don't want to speak for Brits, and not even for Poles , but... If you asked me the same question and I knew that roaming is "involved" I would ask you what number is cheaper for you to answer the call.

Originally Posted by Stu

I choose to subsidize the cost of my incoming calls. That is a personal choice. I do so because I have too many SIMs and no one could possibly keep track of which number to reach me on unless I used call diversion.

Yes, I understand your point. But I also think that RangeRoamer offers a good product leaving the choice of CPP calling via +372 or CSP with forwarding via 800

Originally Posted by Stu

The other problem is that most of my friends do not research the price of calling various destinations. My sister-in-law called my wife the other day. My wife is in Dubai on a UAE mobile. My sister-in-law was on her Verizon mobile phone in the US. My sister-in-law did not use a calling card and she did not even pay for an international calling plan for her Verizon phone. They talked for about an hour. My wife casually asked me what the call would cost her sister. When I guessed the price of the call at around US$100, my wife fell out of the chair.

If I was getting a call from one or two friends and I said, you can call this number cheaply by dialing 1010 this from your home phone, or buying a prepaid calling card on the "Blah Blah Blah Talk Calling Card Network," I'd pass the buck to them, but the ill-informed calling foreign CP networks can get burned badly.

I'm really astonished. In "common opinion" the Americans are considered to be responsible for what they do, unlike "socialist" and "leftist" Europeans who need help from their goverments with any single problem (and blame them for the problems) . More seriously, international phone calls are paid services like many others. Of course, the "slight" difference that the call prices are not so "visible" like e.g. in a car wash or cinema. IMHO, if you are abroad, people who call you, should generally accept the fact that they may pay foreign rates and it's their responsibility, not yours, to call you as cheap as possible.

Originally Posted by Stu

I wouldn't have a wallet full of SIMs if there was one answer.

As long as you have roaming coverage, there's one answer but you don't want to apply it in the real life

[prion]

In my country the local telecom organisation has recently increased substantialy rates to +423663 numbers. It has also increased rates to +44762 numbers (Isle of Mann).

The current rate for +423663 is about 0,75 euro per minute and the Isle of Mann costs approximately 75 cents/minute. Other carriers have also increased their rates recently to reach these destinacions.
The Local organisation said that this increase comes as a result of high inbound rates that they have to pay when reaching these numbers. So as part of the agreements they make.

Generally, there are international numbers premium rate that cannot be dialed from outside the country unless there is a certain agreement.

[MATHA531]

Does your telcom company charge high rates to USA toll free numbers?

If not here is a solution.....

Open up an account with callbackworld...

Besides everything else they give you a US toll free number (you can get a dedicated number for $1.50/month or something like that)...if you want to save the $1.50 you can get a shared number where they give you a pin...the caller dials the US toll free number, pays whtever, and then dials the pin and you pay 14?/US per minute to complete the call.

I know there are other providers with this type of forwarding which may be just as inexpensive...I'm not just all that familiar with using them...

[prion]

No it does not, but you did not get my point. Another user said that the providers of his country (Germany) do charge higher rates to +423663 numbers. And I said that this is also the case in my country. I do know the option you describe. Of all the callback services that I have checked this one you mentioned is one of the very few that still charges low rates to Lichtenstein mob. In the past there used to be more. And now there are not. I think now it is more clear

[Stu]

I watched one company go from US$0.06 a minute to US$0.60 a minute in one month (without warning of course).

Callbackworld is a little different from some providers in that they know about the Lichtenstein and 09 roaming SIMs that peple are forwarding to. I've had discussions about the route with the owner of the company. This means that he has checked the route out and thinks he can make a profit on it. Perhaps his wholesaler will raise the rates on him, you never know, but this is not like the situation where the person does not know what he is getting himself into and got sticker shock when he received the wholesaler's bill at the end of the month.

[MATHA531]

..it is interesting to note in this context that I was reading on another forum, this one on travel, sombody had recommended a person set up an account with callbackworld after buying a French sim for an upcoming trip to France.

This person contacted cbw and printed an e mail she had received from Barry of cbw (somebody who has always proven very helpful whenever I have contacted him)...in the email Barry described this person's options vis a vis a French sim and then went on to say, totally out of the blue, that he would recommend to this person to buy a Liechtenstein sim, for which his company charges 14?/minute, and that this person should consult this forum where many of his users recommend cbw very highly along with the riiing sim.

Very interesting.

[khalisha]

Hey guys. I just launched a company, Zengo Wireless (zengowireless.com), that sells affordable quad band GSM phones and United Mobile SIM cards. Part of my website is designed for people to submit tips so that they can make calls for even cheaper while they're abroad. I've been reading this forum for a while (but just joined) and people seem to have success with using callback companies like callbackworld to make even cheaper calls with a SIM card like UM. Would anyone have any tip about that they'd be willing to share with similarly minded US based international travelers? If you want to see where the tip would go, it would be in the Zengo Passport section. (zengowireless.com/passport)

Also, for those US members, my company provides fast shipping, if you need UM SIM cards sooner than you would otherwise receive them.

Khalisha