Eu Regulatory Issues - Page 6

Przemolog · 06-04-2006, 09:40

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Originally Posted by sec

But, having said this, can't wait to have my Personal European Number!! :P
On the "What is ETNS?" page:
The second part of the payment is for the termination of the call and will be met by the receiving party. This is a matter of commercial arrangement between the receiving party and its network operator/service provider.

But, having said this, can't wait to have my Personal European Number!!

oster_oops: I haven't read all the contents of the site .
But all this means that they just invented a stupid idea for payments. It seems to be just shared cost lines.

What I think is what it SHOULD be, namely assigning a +38837 alias to each European phone number and calling it on CPP rule. If we consider up-to-date rates to call international sims, I think that 30-50 eurocents to call any +38837 phone with "full" CPP might be possible. It would be something like calling "personal premium rate" number with redirecting to another line (discussed here: http://www.prepaidgsm.net/forum/index.php?showtopic=104

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If +38837 numbering range were split into mobile and landline part, calls to landline parts might even be cheaper. Of course, applying landline European numbering would make sense basically only if cross-border number portability were enabled...

sec · 06-04-2006, 19:10

My impression is that the Personal European Number is a sort of attempt of exhuming something like the "Personal number" that we had in Italy (abbandoned by Telecom Italia at the end of 2003 - but, if I am not mistaken, still used by some operators like Tiscali to provide some services - in the case of Tiscali a freefax/email service)

The idea of the Personal Number was to have a single number that would forward any call to mobile/fix line (just like the P.E.N.). What made it a total failure was, I think, not only the cost (having to pay the call forwarding) but also the number which had been adopted: still today, it's difficult to find out how much you spend when calling a 178 number! But above everything else, the most stupid part of this project is that 178 cannot be called from abroad!!! :meh:

AndreA · 07-04-2006, 01:29

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Originally Posted by sec

But, having said this, can't wait to have my Personal European Number!! :P

I "need" one

snaimon · 07-04-2006, 01:32

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Originally Posted by AndreA

I "need" one

Do I smell a FREE LUNCH? Who is paying for the privilege? And how much?

Stan

andy · 10-04-2006, 17:49

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Originally Posted by AndreA

I "need" one

I don't think you do. I've just found some for sale for VoIP use for ?1 per month, which is fine, but ...

I looked up another company's tariff to call the number

Destination: Euro Sat
Number: +3883 790000xxxx
Location: European Telephony Numbering Space follow-me / personal
Cost: 310.0 p (Including VAT)

- maybe I'll wait until there is a bit more convergence on tariffs! - or SIP peering agreement ...

- for that price and description, you should be calling an astronaut!

sec · 11-04-2006, 07:37

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Originally Posted by andy

Destination: Euro Sat
Number: +3883 790000xxxx
Location: European Telephony Numbering Space follow-me / personal
Cost: 310.0 p (Including VAT)

:blink: WOW!

I wonder if it means the "follow me" owner doesn't have to pay the call forwarding...?

andy · 03-05-2006, 09:10

Maybe the networks are going to react more positively to the EU's stance on roaming after all.

After Vodafone's Passport last year, here is the beginning of the ranks breaking ...

http://www.t-mobile.co.uk/Dispatcher?menui..._mobile_roaming

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Get 50 minutes and 50 texts FREE to use this summer in any of the countries below, if you buy Flext 25, Flext 35, Flext 25 + web 'n' walk or Flext 35 + web 'n' walk online in May or June.

This offer is available for new connections only.

Free roaming including USA and Canada? Lightning strikes!

Ok, it's on post-paid, but clearly an experimental promotion like this stands a chance, especially when the other UK networks are already struggling to respond to T-mobile's launch of the Flext tariffs. I think the last sentence in the quote is just a bit too cynical though; if I'd signed up with them 3 weeks ago, I'd be lobbying very strongly to have this added.

Longer term, 50 minutes is not much, but note this is extra free minutes, not merely allowing inclusive use. I think T-mobile might have some difficulty now defending the joint position of the networks against the EU's initiatives. If they can't afford it, then what are they doing? But of course there could be an undertone of cynicism - perhaps they hope to buy off further changes and that this will be the full extent of any movement

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sec (Offline) Senior Member Prepaid Fan Posts: 106 Join Date: 21 Jun 2004 Country:	06-04-2006, 19:10 My impression is that the Personal European Number is a sort of attempt of exhuming something like the "Personal number" that we had in Italy (abbandoned by Telecom Italia at the end of 2003 - but, if I am not mistaken, still used by some operators like Tiscali to provide some services - in the case of Tiscali a freefax/email service) The idea of the Personal Number was to have a single number that would forward any call to mobile/fix line (just like the P.E.N.). What made it a total failure was, I think, not only the cost (having to pay the call forwarding) but also the number which had been adopted: still today, it's difficult to find out how much you spend when calling a 178 number! But above everything else, the most stupid part of this project is that 178 cannot be called from abroad!!! :meh: My Phones: Nokia 6230 - Nec N343i - Nokia 6230i My Sims: Wind IT prepaid (+ Voda IT postpaid corporate phone) Prepaid Sims: WORLWIDE: Riiing, UM+ - IT: Voda, Wind Deceased Sims: WORLWIDE: Hop - NZ: Vodafone - FR: Bouygues - IT: H3G - US: T-Mobile