Wind coming to Canada

rockjock · 22-12-2009, 02:59

I agree the wait and see approach is a good one. So far my Rogers accounts have gone down in price, so Wind being around is good. But there is still the learning curve here. People do not want to pay 130.00 for a locked handset that will only work on Wind. This is a sore point. Also people are saying they get the phone and wait for days for service to be started. It is brand new so there will be glitches BUT with all the time they had one would have thought they would have tested things a bit. Even my Wind sim from Greece will not roam on them.. it will roam with rogers only.. They have work to do for sure.. and now a union is looking to challenge them in court which will complicate things. Since there is no contract people will adopt the wait and see stance.. There was a bloke who said that his store had several line ups.. some to get the new phones others to return them.

It will be interesting thats for sure.

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Originally Posted by VladS

The Wind site is still being tweaked. There's quite a bit of confusion and I'm certain there are lots of issues to be worked out from both a marketing as well as a network point of view.

None of their voice plans includes off-network (ie Rogers) access. The $35 (province-wide) and $45 (canada-wide) plans only cover long distance from the home zone (on-network). Roaming on the Rogers network is $0.25/minute for voice, long distance included and $0.10 for a 25kb block for data.

There are still many unanswered questions such as what would happen if a phone locks on the Rogers network while in the Home area due to poor in-building coverage or other issues.

I for one plan to hold off until they iron out most of the start-up quirks.

BLC · 22-12-2009, 19:20

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Originally Posted by rockjock

I agree the wait and see approach is a good one. So far my Rogers accounts have gone down in price, so Wind being around is good. But there is still the learning curve here. People do not want to pay 130.00 for a locked handset that will only work on Wind. This is a sore point. Also people are saying they get the phone and wait for days for service to be started. It is brand new so there will be glitches BUT with all the time they had one would have thought they would have tested things a bit. Even my Wind sim from Greece will not roam on them.. it will roam with rogers only.. They have work to do for sure.. and now a union is looking to challenge them in court which will complicate things. Since there is no contract people will adopt the wait and see stance.. There was a bloke who said that his store had several line ups.. some to get the new phones others to return them.

It will be interesting thats for sure.

I asked them why my Wind Italy phone wasn't roaming on their network and they said they have no agreement with Wind Italy yet!
I still have no service but will give them till after christmas to get things right.

PhotoJim · 22-12-2009, 20:41

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Originally Posted by BLC

I asked them why my Wind Italy phone wasn't roaming on their network and they said they have no agreement with Wind Italy yet!
I still have no service but will give them till after christmas to get things right.

Do any Wind Italy clients actually have a phone that supports UMTS 1700? Certainly none of the Wind-supplied phones in Italy will.

Until phones that have this band are more widespread, a roaming agreement isn't all that useful.

Now, Wind Canada roaming on Wind Italy would be very useful indeed.

BLC · 22-12-2009, 23:16

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Originally Posted by PhotoJim

Do any Wind Italy clients actually have a phone that supports UMTS 1700? Certainly none of the Wind-supplied phones in Italy will.

Until phones that have this band are more widespread, a roaming agreement isn't all that useful.

Now, Wind Canada roaming on Wind Italy would be very useful indeed.

Not that I know of yet. You can use your Wind Italy sim in an unlocked Wind Canada phone and vice versa as a Wind Canada phone won't work in Italy except as GSM, no 3g. Until they make 3g phones with all frequencies it will be a problem.

rockjock · 23-12-2009, 05:33

BLC you could place your sim into a WInd canada phone I think, but they are locked and so far no one has reported on a method to unlock them...but I think you would be roaming on rogers the whole time. AFAIK here are 17 or so handsets only that will run off wind canada AWS1700, Time will tell if hey go any farther. It would seem my Wind.GR sim needs to be registered and it was not oh well..

it seems like WIND.GR and WIND.IT and WIND.CDN share only the name.. nothing else. Oh a funny note the training manuals they used were translated to english and made little sense as did the website prices were in British pounds.. this led more and more people to ask what is Canadian about this company.. handsets imported from overseas was another point brought up.

this is going to be interesting.. so far my plan has gone down in price...

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Originally Posted by BLC

Not that I know of yet. You can use your Wind Italy sim in an unlocked Wind Canada phone and vice versa as a Wind Canada phone won't work in Italy except as GSM, no 3g. Until they make 3g phones with all frequencies it will be a problem.

BLC · 23-12-2009, 15:58

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Originally Posted by rockjock

BLC you could place your sim into a WInd canada phone I think, but they are locked and so far no one has reported on a method to unlock them...but I think you would be roaming on rogers the whole time. AFAIK here are 17 or so handsets only that will run off wind canada AWS1700, Time will tell if hey go any farther. It would seem my Wind.GR sim needs to be registered and it was not oh well..

it seems like WIND.GR and WIND.IT and WIND.CDN share only the name.. nothing else. Oh a funny note the training manuals they used were translated to english and made little sense as did the website prices were in British pounds.. this led more and more people to ask what is Canadian about this company.. handsets imported from overseas was another point brought up.

this is going to be interesting.. so far my plan has gone down in price...

Wind Italy's roaming agreement is with Rogers right now and is some ridiculous rate (1.50 euro a minute I think). The sim would work in Wind Canada phones if they had an agreement.

Effendi · 23-12-2009, 16:16

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Originally Posted by BLC

Wind Italy's roaming agreement is with Rogers right now and is some ridiculous rate (1.50 euro a minute I think). The sim would work in Wind Canada phones if they had an agreement.

It's 2€/min outgoing, 1€/min incoming.
It should work only on Rogers, which is the only GSM network in Canada (at least nationwide). Probably new agreements will follow, surely at least with Wind Canada.

adam917 · 23-12-2009, 02:17

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Originally Posted by PhotoJim

Do any Wind Italy clients actually have a phone that supports UMTS 1700? Certainly none of the Wind-supplied phones in Italy will.

Until phones that have this band are more widespread, a roaming agreement isn't all that useful.

Now, Wind Canada roaming on Wind Italy would be very useful indeed.

Don't most phones that come with UMTS 1700 also have 2100 for int'l roaming?

PhotoJim · 23-12-2009, 05:30

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Originally Posted by adam917

Don't most phones that come with UMTS 1700 also have 2100 for int'l roaming?

And does Wind not have 2G coverage? If so a lack of UMTS 2100 wouldn't matter much.

BLC · 23-12-2009, 16:00

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Originally Posted by PhotoJim

And does Wind not have 2G coverage? If so a lack of UMTS 2100 wouldn't matter much.

Wind roams on Rogers in 2g at 25 cents a minute, no long distance charges so it may put Petro Canada mobility out of business as the rate is the same but much cheaper on long distance calls.