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inquisitor · 22-02-2009, 22:48

Found it out: The US-identity of 44/1-SIMs comes from a Pennsylvanian MVNO called Immix, so 44/1 should work where Immix works: Immix Wireless ** immix.com ** Coverage

PhotoJim · 23-02-2009, 01:18

Immix claims to have native coverage in central Pennsylvania, so perhaps it's a misnomer to call it an MVNO.

I see Immo has a roaming agreement with Rogers in Canada; rates, however, are not posted.

There is coverage in North Dakota and Montana, so a roaming agreement with Alltel must exist. This is good news.

inquisitor · 23-02-2009, 01:56

You're right, Immix is a real MNO, though a tiny one. After I had learned that Immix is the US partner, I realized that tonight, too. But I doubt 44/1 SIMs will roam in Canada through the Immix-IMSI, as Henning Gajek stated in his article (which I've translated on the first page of this thread), that the American IMSI won't work outside the US.

Stu · 23-02-2009, 02:07

I e-mailed Immix and asked what their Canadian roaming rate is. Rogers reports back charges to US providers instantly so it is a good bet that if they can handle Alltel's tiny GSM roaming network, they can handle Rogers. In any event, we will know soon enough- particularly if they do a cheap upgrade option on the SIM.

I'm wondering whether they a use a callback scheme on US calls.

prion · 23-02-2009, 12:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by inquisitor

Found it out: The US-identity of 44/1-SIMs comes from a Pennsylvanian MVNO called Immix, so 44/1 should work where Immix works: Immix Wireless ** immix.com ** Coverage

How did you find it out???

bylo · 23-02-2009, 14:36

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stu

I e-mailed Immix and asked what their Canadian roaming rate is...

Dream on. There's a good reason why those of us who have ever had dealings with Rogers refer to them as Robbers.

See also negative-option billing. Robbers were also (the?) first to throttle Internet traffic even though their management denied it for years.

Robbers has a monopoly on GSM in Canada. You won't get any bargain roaming rates from Robbers.

MATHA531 · 23-02-2009, 15:14

Didn't Rogers, as I understand it, cripple some of the phones they sold so you could not use any mp3 downloads as ring tones? All the better to make you pay for them eh.

Stu · 23-02-2009, 16:42

Ah, I know Rogers/Robbers all too well. I live 10 miles from the Canadian border. I deal with Rogers a ton -- not as much as the Canadians out there, but I go to Canada for dinner, family events, parties, go to Canadian beaches in the summer, etc. I have multiple relatives in Canada. Even two of my three sister-in-laws are Canadian.

My wife also has several Canadian clients. We have a Rogers contract cell phone which is basically a family plan phone belonging to a Canadian relative. We trade him one TMobile SIM for one Rogers SIM and engage in various strategies to keep our usage from seriously impacting the other's minutes.

Back to the point, this is what I received form Immix:

"Thank*you for contacting Immix Wireless. Unfortunately we do not*know the charge for Canadian*roaming, it is billed to us after usage and varies depending on your location in Canada. It can vary anywhere from $0.32 to $1.65*or possibly more.
If there is anything*else we can assist*you with please contact 1-888-249-8030 or*611 from your cell phone."

I don't think they are going to assist in Canadian prepaid roaming.

PhotoJim · 23-02-2009, 16:42

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Originally Posted by bylo

Robbers has a monopoly on GSM in Canada. You won't get any bargain roaming rates from Robbers.

They do, but only for a few more months. Telus plans to have 3G GSM in place in the Vancouver area in time for the 2010 Olympics. Also, while it won't make an immediate difference in roaming revenue for Rogers (at least until people start acquiring compatible phones), we're even closer to 3G GSM at 1700 MHz with Quebecor in Quebec and Yak/Wind in all the other provinces.

Stu · 23-02-2009, 17:53

You are already seeing a few cracks in the armor/armour in the Canadian cell market. FIDO has rolled out a month-to-month contract plan, there are a few unlimited offerings coming on the market, there has been an attempt by the Canadian cellular industry to put out more attractive data packages, etc. It ain't much, but I think it is a start.

Rogers Canadawide MyFavs has definitely been improvement for Vlad and I.

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inquisitor (Offline) Senior Member Prepaid Professionist Posts: 1,399 Join Date: 15 Nov 2006 Country:	22-02-2009, 22:48 Found it out: The US-identity of 44/1-SIMs comes from a Pennsylvanian MVNO called Immix, so 44/1 should work where Immix works: Immix Wireless immix.com Coverage terminals: Samsung: Galaxy S5 DuoS (G900FD); BLU: Win HD LTE; Nokia: 1200; Asus: Fonepad 7 ME372CG; Huawei data: E3372, Vodafone R201, K3765, E1762; postpaid: O2 on Business XL; prepaid: DE: Aldi Talk, Lidl; UK: 3; BG: MTel, vivacom; RU: MTS; RS: MTS; UAE: du Tourist SIM; INT'L: toggle mobile VoIP: sipgate.de (German DID); sipgate.co.uk (British DID); ukddi.com (British DID); sipcall.ch (Swiss DID); megafon.bg (Bulgarian DID); InterVoip.com

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PhotoJim (Offline) Senior Member Prepaid Expert Posts: 389 Join Date: 10 Dec 2006 Location: Regina, SK, CA Country:	23-02-2009, 01:18 Immix claims to have native coverage in central Pennsylvania, so perhaps it's a misnomer to call it an MVNO. I see Immo has a roaming agreement with Rogers in Canada; rates, however, are not posted. There is coverage in North Dakota and Montana, so a roaming agreement with Alltel must exist. This is good news. CA: SaskTel, Wind postpaid; Rogers, Bell postpaid iPad flex plans; US: T-Mobile postpaid data, prepaid voice; PureTalk (AT&T MVNO) prepaid voice/data; AT&T prepaid iPad plan Hardware: Too much but notably iPhone 5, iPad Mini Retina LTE, Moto G LTE (N.A. version), iPhone 4. All unlocked.

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inquisitor (Offline) Senior Member Prepaid Professionist Posts: 1,399 Join Date: 15 Nov 2006 Country:	23-02-2009, 01:56 You're right, Immix is a real MNO, though a tiny one. After I had learned that Immix is the US partner, I realized that tonight, too. But I doubt 44/1 SIMs will roam in Canada through the Immix-IMSI, as Henning Gajek stated in his article (which I've translated on the first page of this thread), that the American IMSI won't work outside the US. terminals: Samsung: Galaxy S5 DuoS (G900FD); BLU: Win HD LTE; Nokia: 1200; Asus: Fonepad 7 ME372CG; Huawei data: E3372, Vodafone R201, K3765, E1762; postpaid: O2 on Business XL; prepaid: DE: Aldi Talk, Lidl; UK: 3; BG: MTel, vivacom; RU: MTS; RS: MTS; UAE: du Tourist SIM; INT'L: toggle mobile VoIP: sipgate.de (German DID); sipgate.co.uk (British DID); ukddi.com (British DID); sipcall.ch (Swiss DID); megafon.bg (Bulgarian DID); InterVoip.com

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Stu (Offline) Senior Member Prepaid Guru Posts: 1,091 Join Date: 11 Feb 2004 Location: Detroit (formerly Dubai) Country:	23-02-2009, 02:07 I e-mailed Immix and asked what their Canadian roaming rate is. Rogers reports back charges to US providers instantly so it is a good bet that if they can handle Alltel's tiny GSM roaming network, they can handle Rogers. In any event, we will know soon enough- particularly if they do a cheap upgrade option on the SIM. I'm wondering whether they a use a callback scheme on US calls.

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MATHA531 (Offline) Senior Member Prepaid Specialist Posts: 869 Join Date: 15 Oct 2004 Country:	23-02-2009, 15:14 Didn't Rogers, as I understand it, cripple some of the phones they sold so you could not use any mp3 downloads as ring tones? All the better to make you pay for them eh.

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Stu (Offline) Senior Member Prepaid Guru Posts: 1,091 Join Date: 11 Feb 2004 Location: Detroit (formerly Dubai) Country:	23-02-2009, 16:42 Ah, I know Rogers/Robbers all too well. I live 10 miles from the Canadian border. I deal with Rogers a ton -- not as much as the Canadians out there, but I go to Canada for dinner, family events, parties, go to Canadian beaches in the summer, etc. I have multiple relatives in Canada. Even two of my three sister-in-laws are Canadian. My wife also has several Canadian clients. We have a Rogers contract cell phone which is basically a family plan phone belonging to a Canadian relative. We trade him one TMobile SIM for one Rogers SIM and engage in various strategies to keep our usage from seriously impacting the other's minutes. Back to the point, this is what I received form Immix: "Thankyou for contacting Immix Wireless. Unfortunately we do notknow the charge for Canadianroaming, it is billed to us after usage and varies depending on your location in Canada. It can vary anywhere from $0.32 to $1.65or possibly more. If there is anythingelse we can assistyou with please contact 1-888-249-8030 or*611 from your cell phone." I don't think they are going to assist in Canadian prepaid roaming.

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Stu (Offline) Senior Member Prepaid Guru Posts: 1,091 Join Date: 11 Feb 2004 Location: Detroit (formerly Dubai) Country:	23-02-2009, 17:53 You are already seeing a few cracks in the armor/armour in the Canadian cell market. FIDO has rolled out a month-to-month contract plan, there are a few unlimited offerings coming on the market, there has been an attempt by the Canadian cellular industry to put out more attractive data packages, etc. It ain't much, but I think it is a start. Rogers Canadawide MyFavs has definitely been improvement for Vlad and I.