After United Mobile

[Bossman]

Regarding free call forwarding, No. You are not! Maxroam offers not only free forwarding to landlines in, but to mobiles in several countries too.

Originally Posted by easyroam-

Also,
We are the only network to offer FREE voicemail and FREE call forwarding/call divert to landlines and some mobiles inc USA/Canada

[easyroam-]

Originally Posted by Bossman

Regarding free call forwarding, No. You are not! Maxroam offers not only free forwarding to landlines in, but to mobiles in several countries too.

When you call our +447924 number, we don't have a inbound charge.
Maxroam use local numbers and charge a inbound fee to cover the cost.

Maxroam is a good service, you will need to find the best option/cost for you.

[cloud9]

Originally Posted by easyroam-

When you call our +447924 number, we don't have a inbound charge.
Maxroam use local numbers and charge a inbound fee to cover the cost.

Maxroam is a good service, you will need to find the best option/cost for you.

Cloud9 resellers also dont charge in addition for call divert, the call cost is worked out based on if you were receiving a call on the network the call ends up at. Ie if you forward to UK landline thats generally free to receive and so is a call forward, UK mobile also free to receive so is call forward. Can generally forward to any international landline free and most mobiles basically!

PS. Just wanted to mention one other thing about Easyroam in that I do not believe that they have the best golden numbers as they advertise on the website says he with +447700000032 as his mobile number...... 079245 and 079246 will shortly be activated on the Cloud9 network, note these two DNIS ranges are NOT MANX ones they are ours, 07924 is not exclusively allocated to Manx as is a common misconception! This will allows many new golden numbers for our resellers, they already have the likes of 07872222222 .....

[bbob]

@cloud nine, the biggest difference of all is that easyroam does not charge for incoming and most of your provider have a ration for incoming outgoing or have minimum usage per month, year. You could say that this is not free incoming anymore if there are ration's. Also those ratios can only be read in the small print. But you know this.

So free callforward is nice but watch your ratio when using one of cloud9 resellers or get disconnected.

[MATHA531]

My head is spinning from all this. I grant you I'm not a geek but interested in good value for my money. I never suspected that if I buy an international sim putting money up front and basically only use it to receive calls in those areas where they advertise it's free to receive I am violating any tariff or something like that. Is that what is being said here? Isn't this similar to a bait and switch plan when restrictions such as this are buried?

And it's almost something like I once read from an executive at one USA gsm carrier. He was asked how you could afford to give people unlimited use at whatever the rate was at that point. He said because the average person who uses unlimited never (or almost never) reaches the level he or she would if they used prepaid. It's far more profitable for them to give unlimited say for $80/month rather than 500 minutes @ 15¢/minute and that most people even with unlimited never gets to 500 minutes!

I bought a United Mobile card, put up 25€ or whatever up front...they have the €25, use it mostly to receive for free, they have €25 they wouldn't have if I haven't bought the card and also don't they get a piece of the termination fees when I receive?

Chalk me up as one confused hombre.

[easyroam-]

Originally Posted by cloud9

Just wanted to mention one other thing about Easyroam in that I do not believe that they have the best golden numbers as they advertise on the website

Cloud9.

When you resellers start to advertise these numbers on there website 07700000032 and 07872222222. Then maybe what you say could be true.

But I don't see these number for sale. These numbers seem to be use for your staff

[andy]

Originally Posted by cloud9

Cloud9 resellers also dont charge in addition for call divert, the call cost is worked out based on if you were receiving a call on the network the call ends up at. Ie if you forward to UK landline thats generally free to receive and so is a call forward, UK mobile also free to receive so is call forward. Can generally forward to any international landline free and most mobiles basically!

PS. Just wanted to mention one other thing about Easyroam in that I do not believe that they have the best golden numbers as they advertise on the website says he with +447700000032 as his mobile number...... 079245 and 079246 will shortly be activated on the Cloud9 network, note these two DNIS ranges are NOT MANX ones they are ours, 07924 is not exclusively allocated to Manx as is a common misconception! This will allows many new golden numbers for our resellers, they already have the likes of 07872222222 .....

The first paragraph, it's a pity that one of your resellers didn't appear to have time or patience for the conversation to reach that point.

As for the second, let's just review and calm down about the presence and actions of providers and resellers on here.

In the past, I and and others have occasionally removed defamatory material posted about rival companies. This certainly isn't anything like as bad, but let's not be even tempted to head down the wrong path and indulge petty squabbles like this.

We already knew before your arrival here that not all 07924 numbers were allocated to Manx Telecom; I'm not checking, but it's possible I've said so myself.

I don't want to referee a silly dispute about who has the best phone numbers. As far as I can see at the moment, some websites are listing specific individual numbers they have available, while others do not. If or when the latter have nice numbers available, they might consider advertising the fact themselves, and avoid the temptation to comment on others.

[snaimon]

Originally Posted by MATHA531

My head is spinning from all this. ...
I bought a United Mobile card, put up 25€ or whatever up front...they have the €25, use it mostly to receive for free, they have €25 they wouldn't have if I haven't bought the card and also don't they get a piece of the termination fees when I receive?

Of COURSE they get the termination fees.

Leads me to believe that their partner carriers and - or whoever doles out the "termination fees" have changed the rules, formula or whatever - and - or their business model for revenue streams and costs needed serious revisions.

We do know the +423 dialing costs skyrocketed. Probably because the loophole they found was in the sweetspot. When providers (ATT, etc) found out they were bleeding to death from the sweetspot termination fees, they cranked up the rates to cover their costs. This, in turn, whacked inbound revenues from UM. They then added UM+ (UK) hoping for the same stream. None of that panned out, so they (UM) are now down and out. In addition, they never reached the volume of clients they had hoped for. The Germans have lots of reasons for NOT buying into the +423 mobile #s. Mainly too inconvenient for their friends to cal a foreign #. Probably the same for all folks. There were several firms that marketed Riiing, etc., but I doubt they did much advertising. Who wants to go with a newcomer, let alone from +423? Might as well have been from Outer Mongolia. Sorry all you Outer Mongolians out there.

Now, poor customer service, trying to generate revenues any way they can like offering outdated phones, offering bonus for refills. What next? Will they be selling a piece of the Brooklyn Bridge? Does not look very good at all if you ask me.

Use up your balances, guys and gals!

Of course, this is all speculation on my part.

Stan

[inquisitor]

Originally Posted by MATHA531

...don't they get a piece of the termination fees when I receive?

Termination fees to Jersey Telecom's GSM-network are £ 0,08008 (day), £ 0,04368 (night) and £ 0,02968 (weekend). In Euros, which I suppose is the most important currency in terms of roaming-expenses for UM, this is € 0,034 / 0,05 / 0,09 per minute. If you consider, that JT surely keeps part of the termination income to cover the costs for their very own network, do you believe the remain is enough to terminate a call in a roaming network? I'm convinced UM lost money with every incoming call terminated outside of Jersey and despite of the recently introduced connection fee they still do if the call lasts a bit longer.
The main problem of all those roaming discounters is, that there are too few potential customers and the regulation of roaming tariffs by the EU has reduced their number. With the further decline of voice roaming tariffs in the EU and the new caps for data roaming tariffs including SMS they are successively becoming less attractive. All in all I think the whole roaming discount segment will disappear sooner or later.

[MATHA531]

Originally Posted by inquisitor

Termination fees to Jersey Telecom's GSM-network are £ 0,08008 (day), £ 0,04368 (night) and £ 0,02968 (weekend). In Euros, which I suppose is the most important currency in terms of roaming-expenses for UM, this is € 0,034 / 0,05 / 0,09 per minute. If you consider, that JT surely keeps part of the termination income to cover the costs for their very own network, do you believe the remain is enough to terminate a call in a roaming network? I'm convinced UM lost money with every incoming call terminated outside of Jersey and despite of the recently introduced connection fee they still do if the call lasts a bit longer.
The main problem of all those roaming discounters is, that there are too few potential customers and the regulation of roaming tariffs by the EU has reduced their number. With the further decline of voice roaming tariffs in the EU and the new caps for data roaming tariffs including SMS they are successively becoming less attractive. All in all I think the whole roaming discount segment will disappear sooner or later.

I think youhave it and it does sort of jive with my thinking. I go back with this oh about 5 years and joined this forum when Ryan air introduced a revolutionary new product. It failed miserably but we started discussing it. At the same time, just about, United Mobile introduced a product called riing which eventually it merged into its original United Mobile card. It was, as we all know, based in Liechtenstein and featured the free reception of calls throughout Europe (whether in the eu or not) east of Russia as well as places like South Africa, Australia and a couple of others. It was a god send. Top that off with services from entities such as Callback World and Enlinea and, as I said somewhere else on the forum, I was in heaven. I did a long trip through Eastern Europe (Germany, Poland, Hungary, Czech Republic) for about 2 weeks and this is what I had...I had free reception of calls...I had call forwarding from my US landline and at the time calls to Liechtenstein were 10¢/minute with a 1¢ termination fee to Liechtenstein mobiles which made it 11¢/minute for a call to be forwarded to me and then using callbackworld to make calls home, the fee when all was said and done was about 12¢/minute. Who could ask for more. I bragged about it and Effendi scolded me for what I was doing.

That was before the eurotariffs. Then we saw the termination fees to Liechtenstein mobiles skyrocket to as much as 50¢ ore more per minute killing the call forwarding and also the use of cbw. I then started looking at the Isle of Man sim cards and eventually two summers ago, UM was forced to introduce the Jersey product with the +44 number; termination fees for call forwarding were regular UK termination fees (on my carrier that's about 27¢/minute) but using enlinea or cbw on these sims for outward calling incur fees around 50¢/minute. In the interim I was getting around it as late as this past summer with O9 because enlina was only charging 16¢/minute whether I was calling out or receiving via their US toll free number even though termination fees to icelandic mobile was very high and so were termination fees to Estonian numbers making Travelsim I gues it is not really viable.

But the rub here is that the people most affected by all this are North Americans because of the way the system is set up. Our gsm carriers in the USA charge 99¢/minute or more to roam throughout Europe, calling out and receiving. And of course they have that rip off where if a call goes into voicemail, they're able to nail you with two fees. Of course when I argue when T Mobile USA pulls this crap because if I'm roaming on T Mobile UK and T mobile UK charges T Mobile US a fee, then all they're doing is transferring money from their right pocket to their left pocket as both are fully owned by Deutses telecom...of course on the way from the left pocket to the right pocket, they take a stop at my pocket!

So, as this has gone on what's left. Well most of my European travel is to visit friends in London....well we all know what's going on with British sims...they're literally giving them away and I do believe that on the whole using the eurotariffs while on the continent are really not all that bad and wonder if my UM+, now with the 0,19€ fee to receive is really economical.