United Mobilelike +423

cloud9 · **United Mobilelike +423 -** 29-01-2009, 15:15

Just a quick one....

I have been told that United Mobile have put their entire +423 network up for sale with people being asked to bid by the end of today with the sale being required to be completed by the 16th February.

The +44 just doesnt have the coverage of the competition now, seems like madness or are they in deep trouble
What do you all make of this.

bbob · 29-01-2009, 17:39

Nice to hear that you have been told by .......

Could be true or could be not. As you state no source how should we know if it's true.

That said we all now that the +423 platform has lots interest from the market as call rates to these numbers are very high or sometimes it's even impossible to call these numbers.

snaimon · **? -** 29-01-2009, 21:12

I saw no pertinent recent postings on teltarif, onlinekosten or telefon-treff.de. Does not necessarily mean the statements are false. Usually the Germans are on top of news like this, however.

inquisitor · 31-01-2009, 01:32

Seems like UM is in trouble. If they had only decided to concentrate business on the Jersey-platform they would not sell their customer base, but try to migrate people to UM+. The fear, the upcoming regulation of data roaming tariffs within the EU may render them uncompetitive since Liechtenstein is not a EU-member-state, was in my mind for months. However EU regulations do not apply to Jersey either. Will they sell their Jersey platform, too?
Is there any connection to rumors that Skype, a major shareholder of UM, is for sale, too?

inquisitor · 31-01-2009, 01:47

correction: Skype is not an investor in UM, but Morten Lund, a founder of Skype.

snaimon · **more evidence -** 31-01-2009, 02:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by dwsuttonuk

Believe it now:

Email seen as sent from Sven Donhuysen CEO and President of United Mobile

Article posted on telefon-treff.de confirms email.

Stan

[edit by andy: link removed - see posts below by Effendi and me]

Bossman · 31-01-2009, 05:08

Yes. It seems like they are having some financial difficulty. For them to make this kind of move. With the current state of things, it's no telling which of these international sim carriers will survive, if any. UM has been around for a while and have been mostly stable. However, the EU regulations that cap roaming charges, have certainly affected them, the possibility of capping data roaming charges may also affect them.

Effendi · 31-01-2009, 14:06

I had to delete the post of dwsuttonuk where he copied/pasted the e-mail by Sven Donhuysen for privacy violation. E-mail are personal and should never be posted in a public forum. Thisnotwithstanding, it seems quite clear that UM have problems...

andy · 31-01-2009, 14:11

I suspect there's a chance the telefon-treff post was copied from here, and I wouldn't be surprised if it too is soon removed for the same reasons as Effendi says.

inquisitor · 31-01-2009, 14:15

The eMail, which was sent to dozens of potential investors, contains a public offer and no confidential or personal content, so deleting it appears unnecessary to me.

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cloud9 (Offline) DEALER Amateur Member Posts: 22 Join Date: 10 Dec 2007 Country:	United Mobilelike +423 - 29-01-2009, 15:15 Just a quick one.... I have been told that United Mobile have put their entire +423 network up for sale with people being asked to bid by the end of today with the sale being required to be completed by the 16th February. The +44 just doesnt have the coverage of the competition now, seems like madness or are they in deep trouble What do you all make of this.

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bbob (Offline) Senior Member Prepaid Expert Posts: 499 Join Date: 20 Feb 2007 Country:	29-01-2009, 17:39 Nice to hear that you have been told by ....... Could be true or could be not. As you state no source how should we know if it's true. That said we all now that the +423 platform has lots interest from the market as call rates to these numbers are very high or sometimes it's even impossible to call these numbers.

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snaimon (Offline) Senior Member Prepaid Specialist Posts: 898 Join Date: 17 Mar 2004 Location: Richmond, VA USA Country:	? - 29-01-2009, 21:12 I saw no pertinent recent postings on teltarif, onlinekosten or telefon-treff.de. Does not necessarily mean the statements are false. Usually the Germans are on top of news like this, however. Phones: DASH V3 (3) Service: US T-MO post paid (2) - US T-MO prepaid (2) - UM+ - TravelSIM DE SIMYO - DE SUNSIM T-Mobile DE Calling Cards: Onesuite Enjoyprepaid AT&T MCI Mobivox

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inquisitor (Offline) Senior Member Prepaid Professionist Posts: 1,399 Join Date: 15 Nov 2006 Country:	31-01-2009, 01:32 Seems like UM is in trouble. If they had only decided to concentrate business on the Jersey-platform they would not sell their customer base, but try to migrate people to UM+. The fear, the upcoming regulation of data roaming tariffs within the EU may render them uncompetitive since Liechtenstein is not a EU-member-state, was in my mind for months. However EU regulations do not apply to Jersey either. Will they sell their Jersey platform, too? Is there any connection to rumors that Skype, a major shareholder of UM, is for sale, too? terminals: Samsung: Galaxy S5 DuoS (G900FD); BLU: Win HD LTE; Nokia: 1200; Asus: Fonepad 7 ME372CG; Huawei data: E3372, Vodafone R201, K3765, E1762; postpaid: O2 on Business XL; prepaid: DE: Aldi Talk, Lidl; UK: 3; BG: MTel, vivacom; RU: MTS; RS: MTS; UAE: du Tourist SIM; INT'L: toggle mobile VoIP: sipgate.de (German DID); sipgate.co.uk (British DID); ukddi.com (British DID); sipcall.ch (Swiss DID); megafon.bg (Bulgarian DID); InterVoip.com

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inquisitor (Offline) Senior Member Prepaid Professionist Posts: 1,399 Join Date: 15 Nov 2006 Country:	31-01-2009, 01:47 correction: Skype is not an investor in UM, but Morten Lund, a founder of Skype. terminals: Samsung: Galaxy S5 DuoS (G900FD); BLU: Win HD LTE; Nokia: 1200; Asus: Fonepad 7 ME372CG; Huawei data: E3372, Vodafone R201, K3765, E1762; postpaid: O2 on Business XL; prepaid: DE: Aldi Talk, Lidl; UK: 3; BG: MTel, vivacom; RU: MTS; RS: MTS; UAE: du Tourist SIM; INT'L: toggle mobile VoIP: sipgate.de (German DID); sipgate.co.uk (British DID); ukddi.com (British DID); sipcall.ch (Swiss DID); megafon.bg (Bulgarian DID); InterVoip.com

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Bossman (Offline) Senior Member Prepaid Professionist Posts: 1,257 Join Date: 22 Apr 2005 Location: Chicago Country:	31-01-2009, 05:08 Yes. It seems like they are having some financial difficulty. For them to make this kind of move. With the current state of things, it's no telling which of these international sim carriers will survive, if any. UM has been around for a while and have been mostly stable. However, the EU regulations that cap roaming charges, have certainly affected them, the possibility of capping data roaming charges may also affect them. Phones: Xiaomi Mi Mix 2, Samsung Galaxy A50, ASUS zenfone 3, Sim cards: AT&T (Contract), 3 UK, Piranha Mobile

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Effendi (Offline) The great Dictator! Prepaid Prophet Posts: 2,487 Join Date: 13 Jan 2004 Location: Trieste/Trst Country:	31-01-2009, 14:06 I had to delete the post of dwsuttonuk where he copied/pasted the e-mail by Sven Donhuysen for privacy violation. E-mail are personal and should never be posted in a public forum. Thisnotwithstanding, it seems quite clear that UM have problems... Working Prepaids: IT: Wind, Vodafone IT, UNO Mobile; SM: Prima; UK: 3, Virgin; INT: TravelSIM, Truphone. Deceased Prepaids: CZ: Oskar, Eurotel; SK: Orange; DE: E-Plus, Aldi, Simyo; GE: Geocell; AM: Armentel; PL: Heyah, Plus; LT: Tele2; LV: Amigo; EE: Elisa; UA: Kyivstar; NZ: Vodafone; INT: UM, UM+, ICQSim. GSM/3G Phones: Nokia Lumia 630 dual sim

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andy (Offline) Senior Member Prepaid Prophet Posts: 2,128 Join Date: 10 Dec 2004 Country:	31-01-2009, 14:11 I suspect there's a chance the telefon-treff post was copied from here, and I wouldn't be surprised if it too is soon removed for the same reasons as Effendi says.

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inquisitor (Offline) Senior Member Prepaid Professionist Posts: 1,399 Join Date: 15 Nov 2006 Country:	31-01-2009, 14:15 The eMail, which was sent to dozens of potential investors, contains a public offer and no confidential or personal content, so deleting it appears unnecessary to me. terminals: Samsung: Galaxy S5 DuoS (G900FD); BLU: Win HD LTE; Nokia: 1200; Asus: Fonepad 7 ME372CG; Huawei data: E3372, Vodafone R201, K3765, E1762; postpaid: O2 on Business XL; prepaid: DE: Aldi Talk, Lidl; UK: 3; BG: MTel, vivacom; RU: MTS; RS: MTS; UAE: du Tourist SIM; INT'L: toggle mobile VoIP: sipgate.de (German DID); sipgate.co.uk (British DID); ukddi.com (British DID); sipcall.ch (Swiss DID); megafon.bg (Bulgarian DID); InterVoip.com