Poland: Carrefour Mova - 1st "supermarket MVNO" :-)

[Przemolog]

Originally Posted by ms93

http://www.carrefourmova.pl/pliki/Ce...gCPTelecom.pdf - there's pricelist od Carrefour Mova.
The funniest thing is that this offert haven't GPRS and MMS services...

Well, iPlus simdata doesn't have roaming and voicemail and Sami Swoi has horrible rates for GPRS and SMS but they sell much better than all these niche MVNO SIMs .

The problem with Mova is that the national rates 0.49 PLN/min and 0.20 PLN/SMS aren't any unusual, especially when consider that cheaper on-net and landline calls are available only via converting loyalty points and (until 7.07) bonus on regular Carrefour purchases. Moreover, as usual with Polish mobile tariffs, international calls are horribly expensive and international SMS break the common 0.61 PLN level - it's 0.65 PLN here . I'm really surprised why mobile operators don't care about the fact that millions of Poles live abroad and they leave the market of international calls to calling cards, 0708 callthroughs services and VoIP....

The only rate Mova is the best on the Polish mobile market is... the rate for satellite phones - 8 PLN/min to Australia Mobile SAT, Global Region 882 MCP and Thuraya. Oh, I already see thousands of typical Carrefour cutomers calling to satphones . That is really funny to me.

BTW, the first price list published by telix.pl (http://www.telix.pl/images/taryfy/mova_cennik_uslug.pdf) contains the roaming rates over the eurotariff limits (2.50 out/1.50 in vs max rates for Poland 2.24 out/1.10 in)

[Motel75]

Originally Posted by Przemolog

I'm really surprised why mobile operators don't care about the fact that millions of Poles live abroad and they leave the market of international calls to calling cards, 0708 callthroughs services and VoIP....

Slightly OT, but how does one make cheap international calls in Poland from a landline?

[Przemolog]

Originally Posted by Motel75

Slightly OT, but how does one make cheap international calls in Poland from a landline?

One doesn't make at all.

But seriously - what do you mean by "landline": TP SA, other operators like Dialog, Netia, MNI etc., payphones? And what are highest rates in zlotys, both for foreign landlines and mobiles, which you would accept as "cheap"?

[Motel75]

Originally Posted by Przemolog

But seriously - what do you mean by "landline": TP SA, other operators like Dialog, Netia, MNI etc., payphones? And what are highest rates in zlotys, both for foreign landlines and mobiles, which you would accept as "cheap"?

I mean a normal, non-mobile phone. Since cheap international calls to most destinations are not possible from a mobile phone, what's the best method from a landline? TPSA charges 1.49 PLN to call most of Europe and the USA. Tele2 charges 66 grosz -- obviously an improvement, but not cheap.

By comparison, in Germany (which 10 years ago had just about the highest rates in the civilized world), you can choose a provider on a call-by-call basis from a standard Deutsche Telekom landline, and calls to these destinations are usually 0.8-2 cents/min; websites such as billiger-telefonieren.de allow you to see current rates. However, there is no Polish equivalent, and even the masses of phone cards available at the post office do not display their rates (and there's no comparison website that I know of).