yackie mobile review

[bbob]

gsm-student. read the thread. Yackies business mobel is not made so that you can call the iceland number. They want to make money by you calling their did number which forwards to their iceland number.
The forwarding cost of yackie $0.29 are not the cheapest but i would not say it is very expensive.

Also betamax does not care if they can't connect, it's just a very very small part of their business and they don't care if you can't call iceland mobiel.

If you do want to use betamax get a united-mobile +44 number which you can call at low rates using betamax.

[YackieMobile]

Originally Posted by bbob

gsm-student. read the thread. Yackies business mobel is not made so that you can call the iceland number. They want to make money by you calling their did number which forwards to their iceland number.

As others have pointed out, betamax does not (as far as I know) breakout Iceland mobile into separate series, for this reason they won't terminate to any Iceland mobile that costs more than average. This is the same case for many other voip providers. You can easily find voip providers that do terminate to Yackie +354380 such as voipjet etc, as the break out the series, but of course the call then costs €0.5 to €0.6 per minute after it's way through all the carriers along the way. You will not be able to find a legitimate, cheap way to access the +354380 numbers as they are designed for free incoming, so caller pays and the rates on them are higher than normal. Any provider that does terminate cheaply to these numbers is losing money (or some carrier along the way).

But I would like to clarify - the DID numbers are not provided for revenue purposes, the +354 numbers are actually preferred, but because of concerns with voip access etc. we advertise the DID more than we would otherwise do. Our DIDs do NOT forward to any +354380 Iceland number (that's not the way roaming mobile networks work)

The DID numbers are provided as a value added service for you, our customers.
They also have very good access from almost any voip carrier, so if reachability is an issue, then the DIDs solve that completely.

[andy]

Originally Posted by yackietech

You will not be able to find a legitimate, cheap way to access the +354380 numbers as ...

Cheaper providers are named in this thread, who have been found by people here to be reliable for years.

My suspicion is that the reason could easily be more prosaic, that the phone number series of 09 Mobile is 2 digits longer than all other numbers from Iceland, and also begins with a different number 3 that isn't used elsewhere in the country.

Thus perhaps some providers do not have it defined in their dialplans, just as for +447n with n = 6 or less, +446 doesn't exist, +44844 and +44871 excluded by many, +44870 by some, and maybe originally +423 & 9 digits of course

Perhaps this idea isn't so fanciful, as I found that a +49 & 11-digit German mobile phone was impossible to reach from certain providers for a while

[YackieMobile]

Originally Posted by andy

Cheaper providers are named in this thread, who have been found by people here to be reliable for years.

My suspicion is that the reason could easily be more prosaic, that the phone number series of 09 Mobile is 2 digits longer than all other numbers from Iceland, and also begins with a different number 3 that isn't used elsewhere in the country.

Thus perhaps some providers do not have it defined in their dialplans, just as for +447n with n = 6 or less, +446 doesn't exist, +44844 and +44871 excluded by many, +44870 by some, and maybe originally +423 & 9 digits of course

Perhaps this idea isn't so fanciful, as I found that a +49 & 11-digit German mobile phone was impossible to reach from certain providers for a while

Hi Andy,

Your logic makes sense, however the real reason is as I previously specified. The +3543 series has been around for a long time now and the issue is with voip carriers not breaking out certain higher rate series. It would be commercially impossible to offer free incoming on a normal rate Iceland Mobile.

There are other reasons for the +4484x and +4487x, those are "national" rate (in many cases revenue sharing numbers) that aren't really designed for access outside the UK ( most of the ranges at least).

If you really need to make calls to +354380 via voip, there are indeed carriers that will do the Iceland +354380 series, check out i.e. www.voipjet.com, but the rates are €0.5 - €0.6.

Anyone who has worked with bundled destinations and rate tables understands the scenario first hand.

[andy]

Originally Posted by yackietech

Anyone who has worked with bundled destinations and rate tables understands the scenario first hand.

Well, it's a pity that you think that nobody else does, but perhaps in future you'll refrain from veiled criticism of other companies' rates

Originally Posted by yackietech

You will not be able to find a legitimate, cheap way ...

[YackieMobile]

Originally Posted by andy

Well, it's a pity that you think that nobody else does, but perhaps in future you'll refrain from veiled criticism of other companies' rates

Andy, VOIP companies are in this business to make money, any such company who does not break out higher rates, but absorbs the difference is of course free to do so, no criticism there, but the reality is that many/most of these carriers are not willing to absorb the difference, and simply don't terminate to higher rate series, be it Iceland +354380 or any other higher rate series. Some have done so (probably unwittingly) but usually end up not continuing to do so when their billing systems alert them, hence no more access.

There is no criticism of these companies here, as it makes perfect sense according to their business model. Seeing as there are other voip carriers who will terminate to +354380 and the DID option is available, it shouldn't pose major problems (unless what you are looking for is your own cheap callback solution through the incoming numbers).

[Przemolog]

Originally Posted by yackietech

But I would like to clarify - the DID numbers are not provided for revenue purposes, the +354 numbers are actually preferred, but because of concerns with voip access etc. we advertise the DID more than we would otherwise do. Our DIDs do NOT forward to any +354380 Iceland number (that's not the way roaming mobile networks work)

The DID numbers are provided as a value added service for you, our customers.
They also have very good access from almost any voip carrier, so if reachability is an issue, then the DIDs solve that completely.

Hmm, I thought that the main idea behind using DID numbers is caused by the fact that Yackie is a US-based company and US customers want to be reachable on US numbers instead of foreign ones....

[YackieMobile]

Originally Posted by Przemolog

Hmm, I thought that the main idea behind using DID numbers is caused by the fact that Yackie is a US-based company and US customers want to be reachable on US numbers instead of foreign ones....

NOPE

Our business model was always based on the possibility for the user to have a local number attached to his sim card, we never trust to the incoming free as a valuable option for this product, we have it, but we have 90 % of our incoming call made on the DID

[Przemolog]

Originally Posted by YackieMobile

NOPE

Our business model was always based on the possibility for the user to have a local number attached to his sim card, we never trust to the incoming free as a valuable option for this product, we have it, but we have 90 % of our incoming call made on the DID

I think it's a valuable option even because the simple fact that you may have the same number for SMS and voice calls. As to 90% of incoming calls via DIDs - OK, I believe you. But, how many %% of your customers are from US/Canada and how many from Europe or other calling-party-pays areas? From what I have read on the forum so far, the Americans need local DIDs much more than the Europeans and that was motivation for my suppositions...