United Mobile+ (new service with +44 Jersey number)

MATHA531 · 10-08-2007, 17:24

Yup...as has become obvious now, the product was rushed out the door before it was completely tested and really ready as a response to their loss of business on thd +423 card, a loss of business no doubt greatly influenced by the astronomically high termination rates for calls to Liechtenstein making the fact that the recipient of the calls was not being charged insignificant as the caller was being charged astronomically high rates thus leading to the loss of reliance on the card (as a side note, of course, with this rise using some call back services such as cbw and much earlier enlinea became next to worthless and while I'm sure that didn't break UM's heart, it meant fewer people would see a need or use for the card)...

Now having said that, we come full circle to something I asked much earlier. Who is responsible for these astronomically high termination fees (very high termination fees also on O9 and Estonian cards but at least with cbw and enlinea holding on to fairly low rates, you can use such things as enlinea US toll free service and cbw pin2dest despite the poor quality of the calls)...one would think UM +423 wouldn't want termination fees to be so high as to preclude usage of the card so what gives on that.

On a positive note, I just got an AT&T ld bill for a call I made into an Isle of Man sim card in July to check it out and indeed the rate was the same as a UK mobile so one would suppose termination fees on UM+, at least for now, would be the same as UK mobiles but distressingly we've seen what happend with Liechtenstein, Iceland and Estonia....will this hold?

razfaz · 10-08-2007, 20:13

>Who is responsible for these astronomically high termination fees
The money goes to Mobilkom Liechenstein, which operates those "663" service numbers. The high termination fees should only aply to those 663 nubers, but since most phone companies don't differentiate into expensive and cheap Liechtenstein mobile numbers, all callers to Liechtensten have to pay for this. At least the phone companies don't lose any more money when someone calls Mobilkom numbers.

bbob · 12-08-2007, 11:36

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Originally Posted by MATHA531

On a positive note, I just got an AT&T ld bill for a call I made into an Isle of Man sim card in July to check it out and indeed the rate was the same as a UK mobile so one would suppose termination fees on UM+, at least for now, would be the same as UK mobiles but distressingly we've seen what happend with Liechtenstein, Iceland and Estonia....will this hold?

Chances are that they will hold. The +44 mobile is used but many other carries and +44 is a major international destination.

Lichtenstein, Iceland and some of the other small countries are just verlittle traffice but when termination is huge it is easy just to charge everyting to lichtenstein mobile at a very high rate.
For +44 I asume that most international operators will use a fixed price for +44 mobile as lost of traffice going tom+44 mobile will not be the roaming free cards.
If you take lichtenstein I asume most of the trafic is to roaming free cards.

I agree with you and have said it before the high cost to call +423 mobile is killing the card and +44 is a good alternative now. I does indeed seem that they rushed it onto the market as some things are not working perfect, the reason for me not to use my um+ card untill it has been solved.

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MATHA531 (Offline) Senior Member Prepaid Specialist Posts: 869 Join Date: 15 Oct 2004 Country:	10-08-2007, 17:24 Yup...as has become obvious now, the product was rushed out the door before it was completely tested and really ready as a response to their loss of business on thd +423 card, a loss of business no doubt greatly influenced by the astronomically high termination rates for calls to Liechtenstein making the fact that the recipient of the calls was not being charged insignificant as the caller was being charged astronomically high rates thus leading to the loss of reliance on the card (as a side note, of course, with this rise using some call back services such as cbw and much earlier enlinea became next to worthless and while I'm sure that didn't break UM's heart, it meant fewer people would see a need or use for the card)... Now having said that, we come full circle to something I asked much earlier. Who is responsible for these astronomically high termination fees (very high termination fees also on O9 and Estonian cards but at least with cbw and enlinea holding on to fairly low rates, you can use such things as enlinea US toll free service and cbw pin2dest despite the poor quality of the calls)...one would think UM +423 wouldn't want termination fees to be so high as to preclude usage of the card so what gives on that. On a positive note, I just got an AT&T ld bill for a call I made into an Isle of Man sim card in July to check it out and indeed the rate was the same as a UK mobile so one would suppose termination fees on UM+, at least for now, would be the same as UK mobiles but distressingly we've seen what happend with Liechtenstein, Iceland and Estonia....will this hold?

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razfaz (Offline) Member Official Member Posts: 38 Join Date: 28 Aug 2005 Country:	10-08-2007, 20:13 >Who is responsible for these astronomically high termination fees The money goes to Mobilkom Liechenstein, which operates those "663" service numbers. The high termination fees should only aply to those 663 nubers, but since most phone companies don't differentiate into expensive and cheap Liechtenstein mobile numbers, all callers to Liechtensten have to pay for this. At least the phone companies don't lose any more money when someone calls Mobilkom numbers.