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[bourbonkiller]

Originally Posted by NFH

Most British networks do apply EEA price caps to Switzerland and also to the Channel Islands which are likewise outside the EEA.

Sorry, I haven't been aware of this. I live in Austria and with the just launched new contract offers, most operators took Switzerland out of the EU-Countries and almost tripled the prices for incoming and outgoing calls.

Since I live in Austria (200m from the border to Switzerland) and work in Switzerland, toggle is THE choice for me, as they have free incoming calls and outgoing rates at the moment are insanely low, even compared with the most expensive monthly all inclusive minutes offers of all swiss providers.

BK

[ronwi]

Just added a US number to my SIM, used it in the US and found the following:

It does indeed charge 3p per minute for outgoing calls (test call to US number), and no charge for incoming number.

When you call someone in the US, the called party sees the US caller ID. This is different from the behavior I have experienced in Europe, where the +44 number is always shown.

You can receive SMS sent to the US number.

I did not try forwarding a US cellphone to see if the call would go through, however, I could forward my Google Voice number to the US toggle number and the call went through.

I had to manually set the SIM to the US IMSI, when I turned it on in automatic mode it went to the global roaming IMSI.

I hope I'm wrong, but I think this will have to change. In the US calls to mobiles are the same cost as calls to landlines because the mobile phone owner pays for the incoming calls (either individually or through a plan.) I don't see that there is a revenue stream to pay for what is essentially free international roaming and no monthly or per call charges for calls to a US number.

[MBK]

Originally Posted by ronwi

When you call someone in the US, the called party sees the US caller ID. This is different from the behavior I have experienced in Europe, where the +44 number is always shown.

Interesting, thanks for the feeback.

Originally Posted by ronwi

I hope I'm wrong, but I think this will have to change. In the US calls to mobiles are the same cost as calls to landlines because the mobile phone owner pays for the incoming calls (either individually or through a plan.) I don't see that there is a revenue stream to pay for what is essentially free international roaming and no monthly or per call charges for calls to a US number.

How much does lycamobile US charge for incoming calls?

The only information I could find on their web site: "Get a prepaid monthly Plan with USA and International talk, text and data from only $16/month. Or recharge and pay only 2c/minute, 4c/text and 6c/MB with Pay As You Go"

They aren't saying anything regarding incoming calls and Lyca seems to be even cheaper than Toggle. Furthermore, considering the above Lyca rates are in US cents whereas Toggle is charging in £, this would make Toggle more expensive by about 2c/min for calls, 9c/min SMS and 14c/MB data.

Lyca must be earning something with their low rates. So, Toggle seems to be getting a comfortable margin on top of that.

[ronwi]

Lycamobile in the US charges the same for incoming calls as outgoing calls.

Originally Posted by MBK

Interesting, thanks for the feeback.



How much does lycamobile US charge for incoming calls?

The only information I could find on their web site: "Get a prepaid monthly Plan with USA and International talk, text and data from only $16/month. Or recharge and pay only 2c/minute, 4c/text and 6c/MB with Pay As You Go"

They aren't saying anything regarding incoming calls and Lyca seems to be even cheaper than Toggle. Furthermore, considering the above Lyca rates are in US cents whereas Toggle is charging in £, this would make Toggle more expensive by about 2c/min for calls, 9c/min SMS and 14c/MB data.

Lyca must be earning something with their low rates. So, Toggle seems to be getting a comfortable margin on top of that.

[MBK]

Originally Posted by ronwi

Lycamobile in the US charges the same for incoming calls as outgoing calls.

Really? In the Lyca US thread everyone seemed to be saying they weren't charging for incoming calls.

But ok, if you are sure about this, we have:

• Lyca charges 2c/min incoming and outgoing.
• Toggle charges almost 5c/min (3p = 4.7c) outgoing and 0 incoming

So assuming they have no other arrangements in the US, if Toggle is using the same Lyca platform they are still viable if they have 2x more incoming calls than outgoing calls in the US.

Question: how much are the other US prepaid competitors charging?

[ronwi]

I double-checked before I posted - I called myself on my Lyca US SIM from another phone and my balance decremented by 2 cents.

Your analysis omits that when one calls someone on Lyca US the call ends in the US. One can call the Toggle US number and the call is forwarded at no charge to you in whichever Toggle country you are located.

The 2 cent rate is much cheaper than anyone else. Most of the prepaid competitors sell either bundles or unlimited plans. Lyca is the cheapest thing around for light use.

Originally Posted by MBK

Really? In the Lyca US thread everyone seemed to be saying they weren't charging for incoming calls.

But ok, if you are sure about this, we have:

• Lyca charges 2c/min incoming and outgoing.
• Toggle charges almost 5c/min (3p = 4.7c) outgoing and 0 incoming

So assuming they have no other arrangements in the US, if Toggle is using the same Lyca platform they are still viable if they have 2x more incoming calls than outgoing calls in the US.

Question: how much are the other US prepaid competitors charging?

[MBK]

Originally Posted by ronwi

I double-checked before I posted - I called myself on my Lyca US SIM from another phone and my balance decremented by 2 cents.

Good info, thanks.

Originally Posted by ronwi

Your analysis omits that when one calls someone on Lyca US the call ends in the US. One can call the Toggle US number and the call is forwarded at no charge to you in whichever Toggle country you are located.

I didn't omit this in my mind.

Yes, the only way I see this working is if they have the Toggle countries interconnected with VOIP, which is what I think they are doing. This is the advantage of the international Lyca network.

Incoming free -> VOIP -> free termination on their network in the toggle countries.

[rfranzq]

Originally Posted by ronwi

I had to manually set the SIM to the US IMSI, when I turned it on in automatic mode it went to the global roaming IMSI.

What network[s] is it using?

[HappyCamp]

Originally Posted by rfranzq

What network[s] is it using?

Toggle Mobile uses T-Mobile for me in the US.