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davidtheprof Piranha Mobile Sim Card 14-07-2012, 18:07

fsotirop this is a very good... 16-07-2012, 11:56

davidtheprof I should add that their... 16-07-2012, 13:18

fsotirop the voip application is now... 16-07-2012, 13:34

davidtheprof Lower Data Rates in Europe... 11-08-2012, 04:07

davidtheprof PS the link to their forum is... 11-08-2012, 04:07

davidtheprof Piranha in Canada 20-08-2012, 19:18

fsotirop yes i agree, piranha simcard... 21-08-2012, 11:33

gandalf Second that :) I've always... 19-02-2015, 10:40

gkeeper I have just noticed the new... 04-07-2015, 07:49

rfranzq Do you happen to recall which... 04-07-2015, 08:15

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dg7feq yes, the pricing looks very... 21-08-2012, 16:06

fsotirop and very easy+cheap access to... 21-08-2012, 22:09

andy I'm not sure what you mean by... 22-08-2012, 02:33

fsotirop received today from their... 21-08-2012, 22:05

davidtheprof just got the same email... 21-08-2012, 23:35

gkeeper Do you think they will ever... 27-09-2012, 18:20

fsotirop their +44 number is a true UK... 22-08-2012, 07:03

andy It depends on which provider... 22-08-2012, 12:12

dg7feq Yes, the problem is when... 22-08-2012, 12:52

fsotirop the problem is when calling... 22-08-2012, 12:39

andy Betamax/Dellmont/Finarea... 22-08-2012, 13:29

Stu My problem with IOM/Jersey... 22-08-2012, 14:03

Bossman Can Pirahna maintain these... 22-08-2012, 16:39

fsotirop pretty good rates actually.. 22-08-2012, 22:20

davidtheprof what really sets Piranha... 22-08-2012, 22:57

fsotirop i agree, voip out rates are... 23-08-2012, 10:42

mingelli Have you tested the Voip... 24-09-2012, 17:41

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DRNewcomb Telna has the same type... 24-08-2012, 08:07

fsotirop received answer email from... 24-08-2012, 11:47

DRNewcomb Telna will also be of no help... 24-08-2012, 12:58

Stu What I find interesting is... 23-08-2012, 12:55

fsotirop yes, piranha has of course... 23-08-2012, 13:03

Stu In most places, but not all. ... 24-08-2012, 02:19

fsotirop the cheaper international... 24-08-2012, 11:33

dg7feq Telna is 9.9 us-ct/min... 24-08-2012, 12:05

fsotirop yes for calling back only to... 24-08-2012, 12:07

DRNewcomb Yes, depending on the address... 24-08-2012, 12:52

davidtheprof problems in Iceland with... 17-10-2012, 14:02

davidtheprof International Call Forwarding... 19-10-2012, 19:19

Stu Pirahna and Telna both work... 24-08-2012, 13:07

fsotirop received today.. Dear... 25-08-2012, 10:16

Stu Has anyone tried calling a... 04-09-2012, 13:41

Bossman Ordered one of these as well.... 14-09-2012, 17:53

PSIM Piranha Data 18-09-2012, 11:20

PSIM no we are 100% correct, and... 25-09-2012, 16:21

fsotirop are you a piranhamobile... 25-09-2012, 17:52

fsotirop New great service from... 25-09-2012, 18:11

dg7feq uh that is neat, in order not... 26-09-2012, 09:10

fsotirop and the calling rates for... 26-09-2012, 10:44

dg7feq i would not say very very,... 26-09-2012, 20:19

PSIM Piranha users now have access... 26-09-2012, 17:14

fsotirop if outgoing calls were... 27-09-2012, 11:28

fsotirop you can even change the CLI... 26-09-2012, 20:54

fsotirop gkeeper , i don't think so,... 27-09-2012, 18:44

gkeeper Just noticed that I can setup... 28-09-2012, 09:51

PSIM Do you have a Data package... 29-09-2012, 10:01

mingelli Can you give us the... 29-09-2012, 10:30

PSIM 1. We highly recommend the... 29-09-2012, 11:33

fsotirop the expansion of direct call... 29-09-2012, 12:41

PSIM In a perfect world.... 29-09-2012, 13:21

Stu I've used Groundwire with... 01-10-2012, 00:59

fsotirop i set a different caller-id... 01-10-2012, 08:59

davidtheprof Piranha VOIP on Samsung GS2 01-10-2012, 13:16

fsotirop I use the Acrobits SIP too,... 01-10-2012, 16:10

PSIM No, we have stated that we... 01-10-2012, 17:34

kctopitz Just to clarify, this means... 23-02-2013, 13:16

snidely Just got my Piranha SIM 10-03-2013, 08:30

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Stu For the record, Acrobits and... 01-10-2012, 21:25

davidtheprof Going to be in Canada later... 26-11-2012, 22:10

davidtheprof Piranha in Canada 26-11-2012, 23:58

Stu I thought that the TMO's... 27-11-2012, 00:14

VladS The UK numbering range used... 03-12-2012, 14:30

fsotirop same product but i think... 03-12-2012, 14:32

gkeeper Hi I do not know all the... 03-12-2012, 14:35

rfranzq Has anyone noticed? 06-12-2012, 04:07

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gkeeper So let me get this right as... 06-12-2012, 12:21

Bossman As someone who has used... 06-12-2012, 15:29

gkeeper So far the Countries I have... 06-12-2012, 16:14

Stu The callback module doesn't... 08-12-2012, 00:29

PSIM Hi could you please specify... 08-12-2012, 00:35

VladS If the Piranha callback STK... 08-12-2012, 01:20

depee I have also the problem with... 09-12-2012, 01:19

PSIM Can you contact admin with... 09-12-2012, 01:36

depee Thank you. I have opened a... 09-12-2012, 16:05

PSIM Hi we have received your... 10-12-2012, 14:41

rfranzq received my SIM today 12-12-2012, 05:49

Stu My friend in Germany emailed... 09-12-2012, 03:15

PSIM This is correct, we requested... 09-12-2012, 08:58

Stu I wasn't suggesting you guys... 09-12-2012, 16:46

dg7feq what i dont like is the fact... 12-12-2012, 08:58

PSIM Unfortunately we are charged... 12-12-2012, 10:48

DRNewcomb I remember that Celtrek also... 12-12-2012, 14:28

dg7feq sure, but most of the other... 12-12-2012, 15:32

PSIM Please contact Piranha Admin... 12-12-2012, 18:14

rfranzq Piranha Mobile 3G on... 13-12-2012, 01:31

dg7feq Yes, its understandable but... 12-12-2012, 13:33

PSIM Hi, if it was just a case of... 12-12-2012, 15:11

depee I am now in South Korea and... 14-12-2012, 12:36

Guest About the carrier 14-12-2012, 18:16

fsotirop O2 UK i think 14-12-2012, 20:50

Guest Then in the rest of the world... 15-12-2012, 09:41

fsotirop camelmobile uses vodafone... 15-12-2012, 15:07

rfranzq Tiny text quote for... 14-12-2012, 20:54

squawk1200 I would be interested in your... 25-12-2012, 18:33

gkeeper I have been using the Piranha... 25-12-2012, 19:25

rfranzq Who/What is Telna?? 25-12-2012, 21:57

rfranzq El Dorado Springs, MO 64744 25-12-2012, 23:42

DRNewcomb The FCC licensee database... 26-12-2012, 07:56

rfranzq Commnet 26-12-2012, 09:06

depee During my trip to South Korea... 26-12-2012, 23:09

rfranzq SMS issues? 27-12-2012, 00:36

PSIM Hi we are glad the Piranha... 28-12-2012, 13:33

snidely Haven't used an int'l SIM in... 10-01-2013, 16:59

Stu El Dorado Springs, Missouri -... 26-12-2012, 04:06

dg7feq what is actually the use of... 26-12-2012, 12:23

DRNewcomb Built to be sold, a rich... 01-01-2013, 20:45

dg7feq i guessed so... We have a... 03-01-2013, 16:31

squawk1200 Piranha Mobile Data pricing 07-01-2013, 20:57

PSIM You are quite right it is a... 07-01-2013, 21:43

gkeeper Dear o dear seen some points... 07-01-2013, 22:00

Stu Mostly they are purchased... 26-12-2012, 15:21

DRNewcomb n.b. There are really no "GSM... 01-01-2013, 20:50

gkeeper Just pulled this off the... 31-12-2012, 17:06

Stu I am a lawyer and wouldn't... 08-01-2013, 03:47

PSIM Hi just for your info Piranha... 11-01-2013, 01:02

snidely I looked up the rates just a... 11-01-2013, 03:59

fsotirop i wish they reduce... 12-01-2013, 08:05

Stu Snidely, Tell me what the... 11-01-2013, 14:20

snidely I am not a techie - but here... 13-01-2013, 07:24

Stu Thanks. As you know, I had a... 13-01-2013, 15:15

squawk1200 Piranha Mobile SIM - Battery... 13-02-2013, 17:52

rfranzq Perhaps. Could it be doing... 22-02-2013, 10:27

rfranzq Piranha battery usage issues? 26-02-2013, 22:05

CapCat Phone for piranha voip 14-02-2013, 19:11

Sophia I've been away for too long... 17-02-2013, 20:26

Bossman I mentioned I will get a... 06-03-2013, 12:13

squawk1200 I'm truly beginning to see a... 06-03-2013, 17:31

gkeeper I read this forum on regular... 24-04-2013, 10:02

Bossman It's one thing for a sim to... 24-04-2013, 11:13

socrates Call charges to 07418 piranha... 26-04-2013, 13:12

rfranzq I wonder what the logic is? ... 26-04-2013, 17:28

davidtheprof yep, 07418 (I suspect 07481... 26-04-2013, 19:35

davidtheprof gkeeper is not alone, I've... 24-04-2013, 13:39

gkeeper Earlier today I spoke to a... 24-04-2013, 14:37

kctopitz gkeeper, I agree with what... 24-04-2013, 18:14

Stu You should always carry a... 24-04-2013, 20:57

gkeeper Besides Piranha who would you... 24-04-2013, 21:05

kctopitz T-Mobile has been offering... 24-04-2013, 21:37

rfranzq The easy answer is: "The one... 24-04-2013, 22:08

snidely Just got back from 3 weeks in... 25-04-2013, 02:30

davidtheprof that's a pain, thought it was... 26-04-2013, 14:45

gkeeper Just to let you know, I have... 26-04-2013, 15:07

socrates Thanks, It would be good if... 26-04-2013, 15:32

Bossman It's probably been mentioned... 27-04-2013, 02:48

VladS Even though Ofcom regulates... 27-04-2013, 04:11

andy It's worth a look around from... 28-04-2013, 13:25

fsotirop PSIM when new lower data... 27-04-2013, 08:13

rfranzq Pihanha has another US GSM... 27-04-2013, 08:24

PSIM We have already started... 27-04-2013, 08:41

rfranzq Network issues? 11-05-2013, 07:39

rfranzq Piranha Mobile had issues... 12-05-2013, 02:00

willemijns i just received the sim card... 22-05-2013, 11:52

dg7feq did you try to register to... 22-05-2013, 12:20

willemijns yep, in manual mode i have an... 22-05-2013, 13:18

PSIM dg7feq is correct "did you... 22-05-2013, 15:24

willemijns i have tried to force for the... 22-05-2013, 15:45

PSIM We have explained that it is... 22-05-2013, 18:04

willemijns but normally if i decide to... 22-05-2013, 18:47

willemijns i keep the card. impossible... 22-05-2013, 20:11

PSIM As explained your refund... 22-05-2013, 21:05

willemijns price of the SIM - amount of... 22-05-2013, 21:26

PSIM We are only replying to... 22-05-2013, 22:03

willemijns > we have informed you that... 22-05-2013, 22:46

snidely My 2¢ (Euros) on the thread... 22-05-2013, 23:49

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hrgajek Hello, if somebody... 27-05-2013, 12:48

PSIM Dear Sir, we have checked our... 27-05-2013, 13:24

PSIM [QUOTE=PSIM;42728]Dear Sir,... 28-05-2013, 15:02

hrgajek Dear Support, my remaining... 29-05-2013, 10:58

PSIM Dear Sir, they are both... 29-05-2013, 19:50

davidtheprof so I just updated to the... 01-06-2013, 04:12

PSIM please check the Piranha... 01-06-2013, 06:40

borjeg No, answer here! He asked the... 01-06-2013, 13:10

PSIM The same question was posted... 01-06-2013, 14:22

davidtheprof thanks to Piranha support for... 01-06-2013, 16:03

davidtheprof just got a second Piranha for... 18-06-2013, 01:34

rfranzq somebody does not like Telna 18-06-2013, 02:57

davidtheprof back from a cruise to... 07-07-2013, 13:55

tux Truphone rates aren't... 07-07-2013, 15:38

davidtheprof Kudos to Piranha, without any... 08-07-2013, 03:44

reeder Cruise ship rates are listed... 08-07-2013, 22:10

misterbill Piranha vs Telestial 18-07-2013, 23:00

Bossman It took about 10 days to... 18-07-2013, 23:14

misterbill Thanks.. I can get an Ekit... 18-07-2013, 23:19

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snidely Took 7 or 8 days for us to... 28-07-2013, 16:42

misterbill I decided not to bother with... 28-07-2013, 18:11

misterbill That could be a bit of a... 02-08-2013, 08:17

jeffg1998 [QUOTE=misterbill;43533]... 02-08-2013, 22:25

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davidtheprof I just tested SMS, and it... 19-07-2013, 00:34

misterbill So you said "I should have... 19-07-2013, 03:31

davidtheprof for the European cities, with... 19-07-2013, 04:32

misterbill What happened to their... 19-07-2013, 08:57

gkeeper I use the Acrobits dialler... 19-07-2013, 10:57

misterbill Is there a free version of... 19-07-2013, 15:27

davidtheprof I use the Acrobits dialer as... 19-07-2013, 19:20

misterbill Thanks.. I got the Piranha... 02-08-2013, 23:36

rfranzq Do you really think plan A... 03-08-2013, 04:12

misterbill Well, it's a nice thought... 03-08-2013, 04:49

Marschel You don't get charged. I... 03-08-2013, 06:28

rfranzq 'free' 30 minutes of calls 03-08-2013, 06:54

snidely Misterbill - Make sure... 04-08-2013, 04:38

misterbill Thanks.. I know that I will... 04-08-2013, 04:41

fsotirop Piranha reduces the cost of... 12-10-2013, 11:02

gkeeper Just checked out the new... 12-10-2013, 13:46

gkeeper Back from my trip to South... 02-11-2013, 11:20

kctopitz Data rates within Europe are... 02-11-2013, 12:53

gkeeper Just seen another update on... 04-11-2013, 19:21

fsotirop Piranha is at the moment the... 04-11-2013, 19:53

MBK I don't see this, and I have... 04-11-2013, 21:20

kctopitz Good point, MBK. It's obvious... 04-11-2013, 22:42

MBK Yes, you are right. The 90... 05-11-2013, 00:32

gkeeper I only use Data for emails... 05-11-2013, 01:15

gkeeper Sorry i have to agree with... 04-11-2013, 22:49

MBK No, it's not. :D This... 05-11-2013, 01:22

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fsotirop double post 04-11-2013, 22:57

fsotirop toggle requirement for... 04-11-2013, 22:57

MBK Toggle has replaced my main... 05-11-2013, 01:42

willemijns it's a joke !!! IMSI was on... 18-11-2013, 20:33

rfranzq Not quite sure what the joke... 19-11-2013, 00:01

willemijns now the IMSI comes back to a... 19-11-2013, 06:14

VladS I've seen this in the past... 19-11-2013, 14:20

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fsotirop Change translation profile.... 20-11-2013, 19:50

willemijns it is an idea yes... normally... 20-11-2013, 21:16

willemijns now the PL roaming partner... 28-11-2013, 18:27

PSIM If you are having any issues... 28-11-2013, 19:01

PSIM We would like to clarify your... 29-11-2013, 03:51

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fsotirop in Greece no connection... 30-11-2013, 10:53

davidtheprof Experience with Piranha in... 01-01-2014, 15:53

snidely David - Since you are in... 03-01-2014, 23:44

davidtheprof thanks, actually been on... 04-01-2014, 14:04

UKSTEVE I have a EuropaSIM (Voda... 04-01-2014, 16:41

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gkeeper Hi David, I was in Sweden... 05-01-2014, 19:16

davidtheprof sometimes I tried manually... 06-01-2014, 03:16

rfranzq Lower USA rates [on T-Mobile]... 05-02-2014, 22:54

Stu Mexico looks like pretty... 06-02-2014, 03:00

rfranzq more Mexico 06-02-2014, 03:26

fsotirop PSIM, is data coverage... 23-02-2014, 11:44

PSIM At present we do not have... 23-02-2014, 12:01

ma0941987 lol.............................. 23-02-2014, 20:35

gkeeper A little out of sync, quoting... 23-02-2014, 21:58

Sophia You created a whole forum... 19-03-2014, 01:39

gkeeper Whats important to some maybe... 10-04-2014, 13:34

Sophia Nice news, thanks gkeeper :D... 18-04-2014, 02:11

davidtheprof Yep, and as original poster,... 24-02-2014, 00:14

davidtheprof still some reliability... 18-04-2014, 13:15

rfranzq Let get this fixed. 28-04-2014, 21:35

davidtheprof Interesting... Piranha had... 29-04-2014, 03:57

rfranzq It will be a few days before... 29-04-2014, 06:16

CDN Traveller Hi everyone. My first post... 28-01-2015, 21:13

rfranzq Well now, you are our... 29-01-2015, 01:18

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Sophia I just ordered another one.... 22-04-2014, 00:32

rfranzq Piranha versus Canadian... 22-04-2014, 01:38

Sophia Prepaid rates in Canada are... 22-04-2014, 02:37

rfranzq Canadian number with Piranha? 22-04-2014, 03:04

Sophia No, he chose to just use a... 22-04-2014, 04:25

rfranzq Piranha texting issues 06-07-2014, 23:10

davidtheprof I have not tested in such... 07-07-2014, 13:48

rfranzq The networks in the US are... 07-07-2014, 20:12

fsotirop Piranha Mobile... 21-07-2014, 14:14

kctopitz They (still) don't beat... 21-07-2014, 15:54

gkeeper Agreed Truphones 5 EU... 21-07-2014, 16:43

fsotirop if piranha had per second... 23-07-2014, 15:28

gkeeper It would be very nice, i see... 17-08-2014, 16:09

rfranzq Piranha has revamped their... 10-08-2014, 22:52

gkeeper Hi, from my experience they... 12-08-2014, 14:20

Sophia Nice :D Piranha has been... 14-08-2014, 05:04

Stu Sophia: If you aren't using... 15-08-2014, 01:13

Sophia Wind is not available where... 18-08-2014, 00:20

squawk1200 Not sure if any else has... 03-09-2014, 03:19

rfranzq Lower USA rates on AT&T 03-09-2014, 05:06

rfranzq Of course, I missed the... 03-09-2014, 07:34

PSIM Hi the call,SMS and Data... 03-09-2014, 07:04

gkeeper I see that they have reduced... 07-10-2014, 10:08

rfranzq New network options. 08-10-2014, 05:19

squawk1200 Is it just me or are others... 10-10-2014, 22:39

rfranzq Funny you should ask. 11-10-2014, 01:55

squawk1200 I went to both Telna and... 11-10-2014, 02:29

gkeeper I Had an issue last night... 11-10-2014, 11:06

dzhadg458 this is a very good... 04-11-2014, 07:06

squawk1200 Was in Bermuda last week and... 11-11-2014, 03:59

rfranzq Bermuda? 11-11-2014, 06:00

squawk1200 I was listed on their website... 11-11-2014, 16:00

schumi26 I noticed differences in the... 14-01-2015, 09:05

bourbonkiller Hi guys, FYI: I've ordered a... 22-02-2015, 14:31

andy Can someone please tell me... 06-07-2015, 13:30

rfranzq 447418506xyz Would that be... 07-07-2015, 06:20

andy Thanks. I wanted to check if... 10-07-2015, 10:08

gkeeper Hi i am on EE and calls come... 10-07-2015, 11:50

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rfranzq Is it or should it be... 10-07-2015, 19:36

GadgetKen Using Piranha mobile as my... 01-06-2016, 00:11

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SeamusMacD To follow up on this story: ... 16-09-2016, 10:43

andy I replied to your PM just... 18-09-2016, 00:59

SeamusMacD Thanks for merging the posts... 18-09-2016, 11:16

andy That thread is fully merged... 18-09-2016, 12:30

SeamusMacD Good idea merging the two... 18-09-2016, 14:14

ghostrider I've received my Piranha sim... 08-03-2017, 20:50

PSIM You were already on network... 08-03-2017, 21:14

ghostrider I had to "mess around"... 08-03-2017, 21:26

PSIM All the information is in the... 08-03-2017, 22:11

ghostrider Sir, it's very easy and I am... 08-03-2017, 22:19

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ghostrider Anyone noticed that sms sent... 09-03-2017, 13:47

ghostrider I noticed that the web... 18-03-2017, 19:28

ghostrider I changed phone today and sim... 20-03-2017, 19:03

DRNewcomb Re: Piranha's Call-Off-Load... 07-05-2017, 14:54

ghostrider I would use 0039xxxx 07-05-2017, 14:59

DRNewcomb So,... 07-05-2017, 15:15

ghostrider Yes, that should work. 07-05-2017, 15:18

rfranzq I just tested Call-Off-Load... 20-05-2017, 21:13

ghostrider I can't remember this option... 20-05-2017, 21:19

rfranzq Well, for the record, here... 21-05-2017, 04:48

ghostrider I got none of them, just get... 21-05-2017, 07:24

rfranzq Update 22-05-2017, 09:07

rfranzq Further testing. 23-05-2017, 01:10

DRNewcomb Does the Piranha Mobile SIM... 10-05-2017, 03:44

Bossman I do not see why not, since... 10-05-2017, 13:14

DRNewcomb It appears that it has to do... 10-05-2017, 15:17

ghostrider Today I had to remove from my... 15-05-2017, 18:59

gkeeper have you tried another... 16-05-2017, 04:44

ghostrider Thanks for replying. I am... 16-05-2017, 06:08

rfranzq Other networks in Italy a... 16-05-2017, 18:50

ghostrider I tried and retried all day... 16-05-2017, 19:26

DRNewcomb I can't help but believe that... 17-05-2017, 13:34

ghostrider Well, I really don't know... 17-05-2017, 14:56

DRNewcomb VOIP? Has anyone ever "played... 17-05-2017, 20:20

DRNewcomb Update: I've tried calling... 18-05-2017, 15:41

ghostrider Just a question to all... 20-05-2017, 21:23

Bossman I have used mine in both dual... 20-05-2017, 21:36

ghostrider Thanks. I hope they will find... 20-05-2017, 22:06

DRNewcomb I don't have my Piranha SIM... 21-05-2017, 15:00

ghostrider Yes, when I told them they... 21-05-2017, 15:02

Bossman Did piranha remove their VoIP... 29-05-2017, 03:21

gkeeper yep they use Zoiper now, its... 29-05-2017, 06:17

DRNewcomb I use CSIPsimple. All I had... 29-05-2017, 11:50

Bossman Thanks gkeeper and DrNewcomb. 29-05-2017, 12:09

ghostrider I tested the system with my... 29-05-2017, 11:58

gkeeper Latest update sent from... 19-02-2014, 09:41

fsotirop Piranha has a very aggressive... 19-02-2014, 11:50

gkeeper I would still much rather pay... 19-02-2014, 13:19

fsotirop for small data sessions (eg... 19-02-2014, 14:04

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22-08-2012, 13:29

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Originally Posted by fsotirop

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calling from some betamax clones to piranha numbers costs just 2.1p...
almost all IOM & Jersy prefixes are blocked from betamax..

Betamax/Dellmont/Finarea brands have always charged the same for IoM and Jersey and various others as for UK mobiles.

The second statement is inaccurate, as some other people pointed out in the thread you started about this in March or so.

And I'm saying it again, having tried four IoM numbers, two Jersey, Swiftnet (which uses a Manx ID but its own numbers), Truphone and another (callthrough) number today for 0.1 pence a minute. Only Cloud9 numbers seem to be a problem.

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