With all due respect, there has to be latency. A call placed from let's say Germany to the US and from the US back to Israel would add at least a 220-250ms delay.

On the other hand, a call placed to Israel proper and redirected to the mobile operator would only add 40-60ms.

It's pure math...

I think it's not quite fair solution :thumbdown: .
I think you should offer a choice - calling via landline DID or calling an Israeli number directly with free (or at least much cheaper) incoming calls.

Yair Frankel our CTO just told me the difference is less then 15ms in worst case. All DIDs are parked on the proxy SIP server next to our CB server.

But this too technical for me B)

Anyway we can also provide IL landline numbers associated to the SIM.


:thumbup:

I understand your point but it is only a contractual barrier with Orange IL. Part of the deal let's say...

OK, I understand, but it's a pity anyway :(.
So, since you earn nothing (or close to nothing :)) on terminating calls in your DID, so 24-34 cents is enough to cover the costs forwarding calls to Israel and then to the mobile phone roaming somewhere in the world - not bad:)

BTW, could you explain what are "Maritime vessels" (GSM-on-ship networks?) and "Satellite communication B" (Iridium, Inmarsat?).

I think also that MonacoAlbania entry http://www.yackiemobile.com/main/coverage/?part=MP
should be Monaco-Kosovo (Kosovo is a UN-governed part of Serbia, with Albanian majorit. Their GSM network uses Monaco country code +377). :)

The 15ms delay your CTO is referring to is most likely that between your SIP media gateway and the CB.

Going back to my previous example, the call path for a call from Germany to the US and back to Israel (be it TDM or VoIP) is still a whole lot higher than 15ms. To aleviate this delay, can the DIDs be ENUM enabled? This way a call can pass over IP from origin to your media gateway without looping through the US.

I think some here are being "unfair" in criticizing Yackie on their pricing. Charging 24? for incoming is very reasonable since there is NO charge incurred on the back end.
Eg. It would cost 20 to 25? or more to call a UK mobile number used by many of these intl. card purveyors. Besides that, I have to maintain an account w. Kall8 (albeit only $2/mo. to forward calls to a UK (or Iceland) number. We all know what many of the charges are to call a Lichtenstein (United Mobile) number :thumbdown:

I will definitely give Yackie a try. (Probably won't be for a few weeks.) I agree w. the statement in the "card review section" that the initial "set up" is high when compared w. some of the other offerings. It is not outrageous, tho.
As for latency - wouldn't there be some delay, for example, when - a call comes in, forwarded to my Kall8 number, forwarded to my UM number in Lichtenstein and then "forwarded" on to me when I was in Australia? I didn't notice any problem. There would have to have been more delay than if someone simply dialed my roaming T-Mobile phone directly (or an Oz prepaid). The delay wasn't noticeable to me. I didn't use UM much there last summer because of their non-functioning VM system at the time.

...mike

I'm not criticizing Yackie for their incoming rates - e.g. it's the first international card which can compete with Hop in USA or Canada. My point is that I liked the idea (not the rates themselves :)) introduced by RangeRoamer: the same company provides both direct calls to the "real" SIM number (with free/cheao incoming calls) and forwarding via free or low lost local number (and the Called Party Pays). I'm just sorry that they can't offer "Calling Party Pays" direct calls to "real" Israeli numbers which their SIMs have...

I clearly understand this point. I am also a user so those things are very important to me too.

I think we could give a mobile number associated to the SIM - even if this is not the physical SIM number - and offer free roaming in countries were termination is low.

So should we have both systems? Maybe.

But keep in mind that 'normal' users are not understanding those problems, they just want low cost on outgoing calls and incoming calls. They refer to their actual operator while roaming...and we are *much* cheaper. :)

For USA and INDIA we are currently working on a technical solution to avoid RPP. I cannot say more here - competition is watching :censored: , but soon I hope.

It is on Orange Roaming List. I know that they have roaming agreement with SEA MOBILE . As for Sat Com - I will check ASAP.

Corrected. Thanks