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Przemolog 07-06-2006 23:18

Quote:

Originally Posted by prion
I think that this about roaming with telestial is wrong for the reasons that I and Przemolog have written

We cannot exclude that there will be some roamings in Myanmar in the future, but at the moment they seem to be as true as Travelsim and 09 roamings in Tokelau which we could find on their websites in the past :D.

And Telestial Passport (which seems to be another Manx sim BTW) has 210 entries in the "Calling From:" list in their calculator: http://www.telestial.com/view_product.php?...CT_ID=MSIM-PP01

I think that they just implemented the "wishful thinking" calculator from callblue:
http://www.callblue.com/website/Rate-Calculator.html
which also shows posibility of calling from Myanmar :P

GadgetKen 07-06-2006 23:44

Quote:

Originally Posted by Przemolog
We cannot exclude that there will be some roamings in Myanmar in the future, but at the moment they seem to be as true as Travelsim and 09 roamings in Tokelau which we could find on their websites in the past :D.

And Telestial Passport (which seems to be another Manx sim BTW) has 210 entries in the "Calling From:" list in their calculator...I think that they just implemented the "wishful thinking" calculator from callblue which also shows posibility of calling from Myanmar :P

:whistle: Not the first time I've seen a mobile phone or sim chip for same that claims it can roam in some place it can't.

I think the truth is closer to what a Myanmar travel agency says "Q - How about GSM phone connection in Myanmar?
A- Myanmar GSM or mobile phone service support network for local users only and no network traffic for global phone users. Therefore, if you bring your phone into Myanmar, formally you will have to leave it at custom desk on arrival until your departure. "

I'm curious on the Yackie satellite B capability. Wonder if this has to do with the Orange-IL/Iridium agreement?



Przemolog 08-06-2006 09:32

Quote:

Originally Posted by GadgetKen
:whistle: Not the first time I've seen a mobile phone or sim chip for same that claims it can roam in some place it can't.

I think the truth is closer to what a Myanmar travel agency says "Q - How about GSM phone connection in Myanmar?
A- Myanmar GSM or mobile phone service support network for local users only and no network traffic for global phone users. Therefore, if you bring your phone into Myanmar, formally you will have to leave it at custom desk on arrival until your departure. "

AFAIK the same procedure is applied in North Korea ;)

Quote:

Originally Posted by GadgetKen
I'm curious on the Yackie satellite B capability. Wonder if this has to do with the Orange-IL/Iridium agreement?

I've already asked Cizake but I haven't received an answer AFAIR.
However, satphone roaming is not so good solution in any country even if rates themeselves are reasonable because it requires using an expensive and heavy handset and there's no indoor coverage....

cizake 09-06-2006 12:42

Hi Everyone,

I was away few days in Europe.

Validity of the card is it said in the FAQ :

Q: When does the Yackie SIM card and airtime credit expire?
A: Your Yackie Mobile SIM card will never expire as long as the SIM card is used at least once to make or receive calls every 6 months. Airtime credit will expire after 6 months if no calls were placed or received.

validity of the card is for ever as long as it is used at least once every 6 months.

Upon activation you have completed the first 6 month and therefore you have another 6 month before card goes dead. Card minimum life is 12 months.

Now for Satellite roaming, I will correct that. This is not roaming country but a possible calling destination.

Thank you

cizake 09-06-2006 18:26

Just to let you know - we will start shipping again end of next week.

First batch was sold in a blink. We shall resume shipping by thursday 15th.

I apologize for the delay. There shall be no more shortage.

Thank you

Florian

Przemolog 09-06-2006 21:12

Just another questions :)

Q: Can I make data connections?
A: Yes you can use data services in countries that allow data roaming. To get a list of available countries for data roaming, please call your local operator.

What does "local operator" mean and what are the rates for data roaming?


And another one:
Don't you think that it would be useful to enable auto-recharging e.g. when the balance drops below $10 or to enable recharging directly from the phone (activated via USSD, SMS, DTMF). Now there's a risk of running out of credit on the end of the world where there's no access to internet (and, what follows, to the Yackie website :)).

cizake 10-06-2006 01:07

Quote:

Originally Posted by Przemolog
Just another questions :)

Q: Can I make data connections?
A: Yes you can use data services in countries that allow data roaming. To get a list of available countries for data roaming, please call your local operator.

What does "local operator" mean and what are the rates for data roaming?


For now, DATA is only available in Israel +972. Data roaming agreements are being discussed *now*. In Sept. 06 we expect to have DATA available at over 60 destinations.


Quote:

Originally Posted by Przemolog
Just And another one:
Don't you think that it would be useful to enable auto-recharging e.g. when the balance drops below $10 or to enable recharging directly from the phone (activated via USSD, SMS, DTMF). Now there's a risk of running out of credit on the end of the world where there's no access to internet (and, what follows, to the Yackie website :)).


This is a great feature. But CC merchant accounts, security, and payment methods are difficult issues.

For security reasons we do not have access to cc numbers.
If someone has some experience on the subject, feel free to share :bye2:

Stu 10-06-2006 06:43

I have an interesting thought on data roaming. If you surf over to blackberryforums.com, you'll note that on many carriers we used to be able to use Blackberry service at ordinary data rates if we had a Blackberry Enterprise account.

(Search keywords BYO Blackberry).

Most carriers blocked the necessary ports in order to pursh Blackberry subscriptions, but they need to leave these ports open to roamers. Thus, my Blackberry works in the UAE even though the local provider does not have Blackberry service.

Blackberry roaming is very data efficient because very little information is downloaded unless you "pull it down" manually. E.g. you only get three or four lines of text unless you ask for more.

If you could just arrange for a clear pathway to these BES's and billed GPRS at the standard roaming data rate it would make your SIM very attractive to corporate drones.

cizake 10-06-2006 09:57

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stu
I have an interesting thought on data roaming. If you surf over to blackberryforums.com, you'll note that on many carriers we used to be able to use Blackberry service at ordinary data rates if we had a Blackberry Enterprise account.

If you could just arrange for a clear pathway to these BES's and billed GPRS at the standard roaming data rate it would make your SIM very attractive to corporate drones.

I agree with you. In fact we are pushing for DATA roaming agreements mostly to attract corporate accounts.

BTW i was an ex-blackberry user and since MS has added AKU mail push to WM5 - i only use MS Windows Mobile devices.


Stu 10-06-2006 11:30

I prefer the Windows Media platform. Cingular's unlimited international Blackberry plan is what pushed me into the other camp. One of these days, I will pass their puke test.

Przemolog 10-06-2006 15:15

Quote:

Originally Posted by cizake
This is a great feature. But CC merchant accounts, security, and payment methods are difficult issues.

For security reasons we do not have access to cc numbers.
If someone has some experience on the subject, feel free to share :bye2:

I do appreciate your care about the security aspects of remote transactions. However, I don't suggest transferring the credit card numbers directly. I mean rather a solution in which the card number is registered by the merchant and the user just "triggers" the authorisation and recharge process from the phone, not from the website. Of course there shuld a limit on both number and volume of such transactions. I can't help you with tech details however...

cizake 10-06-2006 16:49

Ok, I will see if our merchant account delivers a mobile solution. Anyway, i think we can still do it over the telephone.

By contacting our customer service via a short code, you can recharge manually by telephone (I will check if this is possible :lol: ).

Stu 11-06-2006 10:11

What about doing a "reserve" against a credit card similar to what hotels and rental car agencies do.

cizake 11-06-2006 12:07

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stu
What about doing a "reserve" against a credit card similar to what hotels and rental car agencies do.

Like I said earlier, most people do not use a cc to pay. Therefore there will be no possible reserve for those.

I think we can have an automated recharging procedure for customers using a cc. We need to check this issue with our merchant account.

I will let you know.

Bossman 12-06-2006 18:03

Not sure if this has been mentioned. Call credit balance cannot be checked from the phone. It can only be done from the website. Not a big deal if there is internet access

Przemolog 13-06-2006 17:49

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bossman
Not sure if this has been mentioned. Call credit balance cannot be checked from the phone. It can only be done from the website. Not a big deal if there is internet access

Hmmmmm, prepaid mobile service w/o free incoming calls, no credit adding directly from the phone and, simultaneously, not even checking the balance from the phone - all this sounds pretty strange :unsure:
Unless the business plan assumes that, taking into account all the features above, people will buy huge amounts of air-time credit in order not to run out of it suddenly ;)

cizake 13-06-2006 21:42

You can indeed check your credit balance directly from the phone. ;)

Przemolog 13-06-2006 22:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by cizake
You can indeed check your credit balance directly from the phone. ;)

OK, but it seems that Bossman (me either :)) couldn't find on the website a short code (or any other method) how to do this....

Bossman 13-06-2006 23:34

I actually had a chat session via their website, during which I asked if it could be done and if it was a free call. The respondant said no, but that they were working on making it possible. And, that the only option at the moment is via the website

snidely 14-06-2006 07:04

Has anyone here ordered this but me? Cisake said here (and a day later posted on their web) that they won't have product to ship til at least Thurs. (June 14).

(I ordered thru this site by clicking on the Yackie logo above so that www.prepaidgsm.net gets credit.)

Since I am on the opposite coast, i probably won't get it til the end of next week at the earliest. I don't know how they are shipping. The only complaint so far is: I wish they would have informed me they weren't able to ship when i placed the order last week. They should have at least sent an email. I did get immediate confirmation of the order. If it weren't for the fact i frequent this site, i wouldn't have seen Cisake's post about delayed shipment dates.
This company is the ONLY one who has had a "rep" taking pointed questions AND listening to potential users. I remember emailing a question to another "startup" mentioned here (can't remember name) and never got an answer. Maybe they didn't get off the ground. As i recall, they were going to offer U.S. numbers also.

...mike

cizake 18-06-2006 10:52

Thanks Mike.

Shipping has resumed partially on Friday and tomorrow the rest will be shipped out.

I will let you know.

money69 20-06-2006 00:07

I tried to purchase one but theres no US numbers to select from. Whats going on with this?

Bossman 20-06-2006 00:56

I noticed that too. You may need to contact them directly.

dg7feq 21-06-2006 09:25

Quote:

Originally Posted by money69
I tried to purchase one but theres no US numbers to select from. Whats going on with this?

I just purchased a card and there were tons of US Numbers avilable. Maybe they just updated the database.

but: i did not get any confirmation email for the buy. Is that normal or the system just a bit slow?

Chris

DRNewcomb 21-06-2006 12:49

I also went through the motions but saw no US-based numbers listed. BTW, I found it interesting that Yackie lists good rates for Korea but nothing for Japan. I found this curious since neither country has any GSM. I didn't notice any notes on Korea that you needed to use either a 3G phone or rent a special CDMA phone at the airport.

Except for the high set-up costs this looks like a pretty good SIM for at least the US, UK or FR based travelers; as long as you don't mind picking up the tab for the forwarding.

dg7feq 21-06-2006 13:51

Quote:

Originally Posted by DRNewcomb
I also went through the motions but saw no US-based numbers listed. BTW, I found it interesting that Yackie lists good rates for Korea but nothing for Japan. I found this curious since neither country has any GSM. I didn't notice any notes on Korea that you needed to use either a 3G phone or rent a special CDMA phone at the airport.

Except for the high set-up costs this looks like a pretty good SIM for at least the US, UK or FR based travelers; as long as you don't mind picking up the tab for the forwarding.

Ehm interesting,
i just tried it again. See attached screenshot. Plenty of US-Numbers there.

http://img92.imageshack.us/img92/5158/yackus0oj.th.jpg

chris

DRNewcomb 22-06-2006 00:41

Quote:

Originally Posted by dg7feq
Ehm interesting,
i just tried it again. See attached screenshot. Plenty of US-Numbers there.

Yep. They're there now. A whole bunch of Toledo, Ohio numbers. They weren't there when I looked early this morning.

money69 22-06-2006 01:33

Yeah, they definitely werent there when I posted about it also, its good that they are there now though.


Thanks for the info.

Bossman 22-06-2006 01:58

For those of you that have ordered this sim, please post a review as soon as you've got a chance to use it.

dg7feq 22-06-2006 06:58

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bossman
For those of you that have ordered this sim, please post a review as soon as you've got a chance to use it.

I got my order confirmation after calling the hotline last night. Very friendly guy there with cool carribean accent ;-)
Now lets see how fast they deliver. My girlfriend will fly to USA and Canada end of July - this will be the first big test for the card.

Greetings,
Chris

Bossman 05-07-2006 11:20

For anyone interested, Yackie now has local numbers for several countries and several US cities too. I placed an order yesterday.

Przemolog 05-07-2006 11:36

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bossman
For anyone interested, Yackie now has local numbers for several countries and several US cities too. I placed an order yesterday.

That's right. I've just checked Poland - I had no idea that the capital of my country is Tpnkeg== :lol: (OK, I know just a stupid mistake :)

dg7feq 05-07-2006 12:22

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bossman
For anyone interested, Yackie now has local numbers for several countries and several US cities too. I placed an order yesterday.

Oh cool,
also without surcharge.
What a pity that i ordered my card already some time ago. Now i could get a Frankfurt number. That would be much cheaper to call from cellphones in germany than the US-number i got now.
Lets see if they might swap numbers :)

Chris

Przemolog 05-07-2006 15:33

Quote:

Originally Posted by dg7feq
Oh cool,
also without surcharge.
What a pity that i ordered my card already some time ago. Now i could get a Frankfurt number. That would be much cheaper to call from cellphones in germany than the US-number i got now.
Lets see if they might swap numbers :)

AFAIR Cizake once said that it would be be possible to have more that one number assigned to a single SIM....

andy 05-07-2006 19:32

It seems that the UK has the most choice of numbers, maybe every area code, and from different providers.

They offer a UK mobile number as an option, but those on offer are not actually mobile numbers but personal ones that cost rather more to call eg 50p or actually barred from some mobile networks. So I hope that nobody goes for these, as they could get a nasty shock on call diversion, or complaints from friends and family

Przemolog 05-07-2006 19:38

Quote:

Originally Posted by andy
They offer a UK mobile number as an option, but those on offer are not actually mobile numbers but personal ones that cost rather more to call eg 50p or actually barred from some mobile networks. So I hope that nobody goes for these, as they could get a nasty shock on call diversion, or complaints from friends and family

Hmmm, but if they gave free incoming calls worldwide coupled with the personal number, it wouldn't be so bad.....

snidely 05-07-2006 21:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by Przemolog
Hmmm, but if they gave free incoming calls worldwide coupled with the personal number, it wouldn't be so bad.....

If that were the case (no one paying anything), how would they stay in business?<G>

...mike

Przemolog 05-07-2006 22:07

Quote:

Originally Posted by snidely
If that were the case (no one paying anything), how would they stay in business?<G>

Read this carefully:
"personal ones that cost rather more to call eg 50p"
If I understand the above correctly, it's very expensive to call such a number. In such a case, some part of those 50p could be used to cover 24 cents of Yackie incoming rate. You ask who pays then - CPPays ;)

bones_boy 06-07-2006 00:47

Regarding the question about two numbers on one SIM, I sent this email and received this reply:

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Are you guys shipping SIMs yet?

Also, can I have a SIMCARD with TWO PHONE NUMBERS assigned to it? If so, what is the charge for ordering?

Thank you

Dave (bones boy)


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Good Afternoon,

The feature that you are interested in is not yet available but is under development. If you need any further assistance, please don?t hesitate to contact us.

YackieSupport

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As you can see they did not respond to my question of when in the world will these SIMs be received... :whistle:

andy 06-07-2006 02:44

Quote:

Originally Posted by Przemolog
Read this carefully:
"personal ones that cost rather more to call eg 50p"
If I understand the above correctly, it's very expensive to call such a number. In such a case, some part of those 50p could be used to cover 24 cents of Yackie incoming rate. You ask who pays then - CPPays ;)

No, the tariff from landlines may be from 10p to 30p, but from mobile networks about 50p. I actually have one of these 07031 numbers [unless it expired when I wasn't looking], left over from when I thought it might be a cheap way to forward calls, based on a tariff mistake someone told me about, but in fact Orange barred the number.

They can be forwarded to international mobiles for example, so will be useful to some, but still some are more expensive than the actual destination.

So, if the Israel number of the SIM was able to be called, and thus avoided the Yackie forwarding charge, then you could have a point, but that seems unlikely at the moment, so gains no advantage over a UK mobile diversion to the landline number, from inclusive minutes.


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