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[andy]

Originally Posted by NFH

T-Mobile UK excludes calls to Lycamobile UK numbers from inclusive minutes. I read somewhere that this was because Lycamobile used to be an MVNO on T-Mobile but Lycamobile switched to Vodafone, taking a huge number allocation with them. T-Mobile in retaliation applied this commercial sanction against Lycamobile. None of the other networks have ever discriminated against Lycamobile numbers in this way, even though Lycamobile's termination rate is higher than the main networks. Even after Orange UK and T-Mobile UK merged to become EE, only T-Mobile branded customers continue to suffer this sanction against Lycamobile.

One way around this is to port a number from a mainstream network to Lycamobile or Toggle. This causes many originating networks to charge as if the number had not been ported.

The Lyca movement from T-mobile to another network happened in the Netherlands, and about 4 years ago, so it's a matter of speculation as to whether that is the actual reason for action in the UK.

It does appear that Lyca's termination rate may be a bit higher, but maybe only a cent or so.

Originally Posted by ronwi

... but Localphone charges 2.9 US cents to most UK normal mobiles but 19.9 cents to Lyca (same as Jersey.) In practice, this can mean that it is cheaper to get an IMSI in France for example (3.9 cents on Localphone) even if not travelling to France for purposes of forwarding.[/LIST]

That's interesting about the Localphone rate. Switching displayed currency to GBP, it shows as 8.2 pence, which isn't equivalent. I've sent in a query about this, and it's been forwarded internally ... maybe it will be reviewed.

[NFH]

Originally Posted by andy

The Lyca movement from T-mobile to another network happened in the Netherlands, and about 4 years ago, so it's a matter of speculation as to whether that is the actual reason for action in the UK.

That explains why I had trouble finding the source then. Thanks!

[andy]

Originally Posted by NFH

That explains why I had trouble finding the source then. Thanks!

One version

Lycamobile signs deal with Vodafone Netherlands

That's about the launch of course. Whether there were disputes arising later about migrating customers or their phone numbers, I don't know.

In the UK, originally Lyca was on Orange, perhaps with ordinary Orange prefixes though I'm not sure. When they launched what they initially called Lycamobile Plus as an mvno on O2 then they had their own number allocations.

Given that Lyca seems to have partnerships with different networks in different countries, without any apparent favourites, it would be surprising if T-mobile UK is carrying this over from the Netherlands.

Maybe it is only that it disagrees with Lyca UK having a higher termination rate [if indeed it does].

[willemijns]

lyca spain is on this case..


he was with movistar
Lycamobile adds Spain to list of operating regions

and now with orange
Vodafone (network) - SIMCARDSPAIN.ES

of course with no customers alerts ^^

[willemijns]

> It does appear that Lyca's termination rate may be a bit higher, but maybe only a cent or so.

In France, terminate rate has been decided by a regulator, no amount can be higher than their condition.