Xxsim

[dg7feq]

Originally Posted by VladS

Do either +372 operators offer VoIP integration?

i did that self made. my PBX at home is configured to forward calls to my XX as long as my SIP is not registered (from any betamax). So if i am online on VoIP the Voip rings, otherwise the XXSim. Outgoing on SIP go to the normal betamax/finera rates...

[gkeeper]

Hi sorry, but I think you are missing the point of Fsotirops posts. What he is saying, is that it is very expensive for the caller to ring an Xxsim +372 number and there is a premium of 15 Euro cents to call the US number on top of any incoming call costs, so when roaming in the EU it costs 15 Euro cents to receive a call on US number, compared to the much cheaper rates of the other cards he has mentioned and calling the +372 can be very expensive, in my case up to £1.00 plus per minute to call if you do not have bolt on extras, therefore free roaming or not the XxSim works out much more expensive than the others cards, in some cases 3 to 4 times more expensive. Fsotirop please correct me if I am missing something here.

[fsotirop]

Originally Posted by gkeeper

Hi sorry, but I think you are missing the point of Fsotirops posts. What he is saying, is that it is very expensive for the caller to ring an Xxsim +372 number and there is a premium of 15 Euro cents to call the US number on top of any incoming call costs, so when roaming in the EU it costs 15 Euro cents to receive a call on US number, compared to the much cheaper rates of the other cards he has mentioned and calling the +372 can be very expensive, in my case up to £1.00 plus per minute to call if you do not have bolt on extras, therefore free roaming or not the XxSim works out much more expensive than the others cards, in some cases 3 to 4 times more expensive. Fsotirop please correct me if I am missing something here.

you're just right gkeeper. have a look also here: http://www.piranha-mobile.com/roaming.pdf to fully understand how estonian based simcards like xxsim make profit.
it seems that user:EUSTAR promotes xxsim product so he doesn't want to realize the disadvantages of xxsim..compared to other international simcards

[dg7feq]

As written before the choose of the SIM cards always depends on the field of usage.
For UK customers for sure the +44 cards are the best.
In my case many of my collegues call on my card from their german mobile. The rate to EU mobiles from our contract is 29ct/min. So it doesnt matter if +44 or +372, both are in the EU zone (whereas latvia +371 would be in the world zone with 99ct/min in our case).
Of course for other people this can look very different...

[bbob]

Wel if you are EU based the roaming sims are becoming less attractive anyhow.

Incoming calls to an eu mobile are limited to 10 cents.
Calling an eu mobile number using voicetrading is typically around 3-4 eurocents so total cost around 14 eurocent.
Alternative is to forward your calls to a uk mobile roaming sim at 15 cents or estonian number even more.

For me this means roaming free sims are only attractive when outside the EU. if you are inside the EU the are becoming less attractive.

[dg7feq]

sure, inside EU we use our T-Mobiles as we have 2400 minutes of roaming included in our rate plan. but outside EU they pay off very quickly

[fsotirop]

user:EUSTAR please for god's sake, stop spamming us with xxsim's advertisments...

[Eustar]

Originally Posted by fsotirop

user:EUSTAR please for god's sake, stop spamming us with xxsim's advertisments...

you're jealous

[gkeeper]

Originally Posted by Eustar

you're jealous

I have been reading articles on moneysaving expert and came across this article you maybe interested in. This is what happens when you unknowingly use high rate termination numbers Mobile Roaming: Cheapest Calls When You're Abroad - Page 45 - MoneySavingExpert.com Forums

"GOSIM Warning - and no doubt similar phone cards all operated by |||Ekit.com
We were recently caught out by the wording on the Gosim pages. You can receive calls for free on a UK mobile number +44. What is not made clear is that this is not a standard mobile number (although it looks like one) so it is not included in your free minutes. We have just had a bill of almost £1000.00 for calling our daughter (lots) as she is traveling round the world. Now don't get me wrong the concept of the number is very good however this MASSIVE FACT that you have to pay £0.31 minute to call from uk is tucked away on one page. The bottom line is either the caller or the receiver has to pick up the call charges and that is hard to find on all the literature
Use Free WIFI and Skype, Viber or Whatsapp".

Please keep it civil chaps, we all want the best deal and it is better if we give each other and visitors the best info possible.

[DRNewcomb]

Originally Posted by gkeeper

We have just had a bill of almost £1000.00 for calling our daughter (lots) as she is traveling round the world.

This is the point I try to make about the "free incoming" cards. At some point someone has to pay the piper. In my case that will most frequently be me or my family. I'd rather have a card that offers a reasonable and rational rate plan than one that is tied to some premium prefix that either gets hugely surcharged or blacklisted.