Best practice international GSM setup

[rfranzq]

Originally Posted by Bossman

Wow! This thread seems to have more mention of ..........

Anybody who has been on this forum for more than two years probably knows more about international SIM cards than 98% of international SIM card purchasers. I suspect that more than half of the international SIM cards bought are done by people at the first website they come across when they need one. Sometimes they are lucky and find an appropriate one. Many time they do not and end up here if they are lucky.

We, here, are so able to fine tune what it is that we want that some solutions are just not seen by us as a 'good' one. Some people can actually afford to roam with their american cell company. --and don't realize the options they are missing. Most of us here are not in that category.

I was basically unaware of these other options other than onesimcard of which I got one in exchange for a United Mobile SIM and was quite thankful for that. Unfortunately, I lent it to someone and it was lost.

[MBK]

Originally Posted by Bossman

Wow! This thread seems to have more mention of onesimcard than all the other onesimcard related threads combined. It seems onesimcard works well for you. However, their sim is just not attractive to most folks here. Mainly due to the already mentioned reason.

I use Onesimcard due to the options that fit my use better, but all of the Travelsim +372 options are good as they are almost the same.

This thread is about international worldwide roaming. Most other mentioned SIMs (Piranha, etc...) are only good regionally (due to the high incoming rate, min is €0.05 in some EU countries) or as backups, and eventually as 2nd SIM for cheaper outgoing calls (but also regionally). Of course you need a dual-SIM setup, but seriously, nothing beats (not even talking about the other features):

• Free incoming in 154 countires
• Free call forwarding to 154 countries

Then to this you add a 2nd SIM to your dual-SIM phone depending on the region you are in, mainly for cheaper outgoing calls or data. (with some SIMs - i.ex. Maxrom - you can even set the caller id you want in the web interface, so you can use them to call cheaper in Europe while maintaining your +372 caller id. The same goes for callback services of course.)

As shown, with a proper callback (and dual-SIM) setup your +372 also gives you the cheapest outgoing calls worldwide (even free to many landlines and mobiles) while always showing the same caller ID and maintaining free incoming calls in 154 countires. --> 1 number worldwide.


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The 2 reasons you are referring to where:

1. +372 is expensive to call

I don't agree, as I have shown you can call +372 travelsims for between €0.07 and €0.11 depending on the providers.

(and I also give the close family & friends the 2nd sim number, so for example they call me in Europe on Toggle Mobile for €0.005 - yes half a cent. Those with an EU package even call me for free. Anyone who is not close friends & family gets only the +372, so I am reachable worldwide on 1 number and never pay for incoming calls.)

In many countries +372 mobile is charged at the same rate as EU mobile. For example the no 1 and most expensive national operator in Switzerland (Swisscom) charges +372 at the EU rate (= same rate as UK, France, Germany, etc...). Even the cheap prepaid local SIMs (M-Budget Mobile,...) charge +372 at the local rate (EU rate = same rate as local domestic calls).

If people still prefer to rely on companies that charge them more ( and you are saying some aren't even able to terminate calls properly for those prices? ) it is their choice, so they shouldn't complain. Some people just love to pay more for less service; it makes them feel safe.

If you use the cheap operators mentioned in this thread, in most countries it is cheaper to call +372 than it is to receive calls on Piranha (the cheapest to receive calls with Piranha is Europe, and they charge in Europe €0.05 to €0.10 Switzerland).


2. Some networks don't call +372

In my experience this was an issue a few years ago. Not anymore.

It happened to me 1 year ago; since then that company has corrected the issue they had (it was because they hadn't adapted their systems to some newly released Estonian mobile area codes).

In the rare cases when people couldn't call my +372 we discovered that they had international calls disabled on their service.

Seriously, are some people still relying on some lousy Telecom operators that aren't even capable of terminating calls properly - even more so to an EU member country (charging the sky while they are at it), and complaining?

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Anyway, to each their preferences and individual use cases. I am just sharing with you guys what has been working great, stable and cheap for me for the past 2 years (after testing several other more expensive, less convenient or less reliable services).

As far as I can see, this setup with callback (dual-SIM or not) is the only option giving proper and cheap worldwide coverage. With all the other options you have to juggle with too many SIMs and hand out several different numbers, and they aren't even cheaper.

[fsotirop]

This thread seems more like a onesimcard promotion page from some new registered users!


Airbalticcard: NO credit expiry, active 2 years after last usage (JUST 1 chargable call or sms)... is the best +372 simcard for EU travellers.
they also have per second billing for outgoing calls within EU... both xxsim and onesimacard charge per minute.
airbalticcard simcard costs just 10euro... a lot cheaper than onesimcard.

ATTENTION: onesimcard expire the credit after of just 10months of the last recharge! they also require the ridicilus amount of $25 for minimum recharge. lost credit is NOT refundable!

[rfranzq]

Originally Posted by fsotirop

This thread seems more like a onesimcard promotion page from some new registered users!

A former user and a 2 year user apparently. I am curious about an area that I am not familiar with. And this forum is an excellent place to find out and also real life experiences.

Originally Posted by fsotirop

Airbalticcard: .....is the best +372 simcard for EU travellers.
they also have per second billing for outgoing calls within EU...!

Your observation [recommendation?] is what direction I hoped to steer the thread. Thanks.

Originally Posted by fsotirop

ATTENTION: onesimcard expire the credit after of just 10months of the last recharge! they also require the ridicilus amount of $25 for minimum recharge. lost credit is NOT refundable!

This is a serious fault of onesimcard, I agree. It would not be so bad if the $25/10 month refill paid for a US phone number instead of the current fees.[Hint to anyone from onesimcard reading this thread.] Of course, we all want more for free.
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Somebody pays: Just not you! Why Estonia phone numbers put us off.
'Free incoming calls' are just free to you, not your callers.

Originally Posted by MBK

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The 2 reasons you are referring to where:

1. +372 is expensive to call
Anyone who is not close friends & family gets only the +372, so I am reachable worldwide on 1 number and never pay for incoming calls.)
...........In many countries +372 mobile is charged at the same rate as EU mobile. .........
2. Some networks don't call +372
In my experience this was an issue a few years ago. Not anymore.

One objection about Estonian numbers has been their cost. They can and have been expensive.
You even use it to discourage people you would rather not call you.
Some users here do not think it right to put the burden of the call cost on the caller in this way.
Things are now changing in the EU and certain call costs are going down and if that includes calls to Estonian mobile, great.
There are still those outside the EU who will pay more.
That calls to Estonia are trending downward make these options more attractive than they have been in the past.

The ones who frequent here prefer intricate and cheap solutions over simple solutions which tend to cost more. I understand and appreciate that.
More choices give us more options and that is why knowing about this niche is helpful for those of us here.

[MBK]

Originally Posted by rfranzq

One objection about Estonian numbers has been their cost. They can and have been expensive.

Of course, if you use them to call out normally they are much too expensive (but very convenient).

But there is nothing cheaper and more convenient if you use them with a good callback and dual-sim system.

Originally Posted by rfranzq

You even use it to discourage people you would rather not call you.
Some users here do not think it right to put the burden of the call cost on the caller in this way.

This is why I also give close friends and family the number of the other regional/local sim I have in my dual-sim setup.

Everyone else gets only the +372 number. The advantage is that I can give only 1 number where I am reachable worldwide. I don't need to give X different numbers to my contacts and I don't need to update them with new numbers every time I land in a new country.

Originally Posted by rfranzq

The ones who frequent here prefer intricate and cheap solutions over simple solutions which tend to cost more.

This is why I went with the +372 SIM: it has both advantages you are referring to:

1. it works out cheaper than anything else if you take the time to learn how to use it properly (callback + dual SIM).

For example, Piranha (one of the other SIMs suggested here) is useless to me as it charges for incoming calls and outgoing calls are much more expensive than what I pay with my +372 SIM with callback + dual-Sim setup. Piranha is even less recommended in my case as its rates are only good regionally, so I would have to juggle with X number of SIMs.

2. and for those who don't want callback (+ eventually dual SIM) the +372 SIM can also be very simple, but then it will cost more.

Originally Posted by rfranzq

More choices give us more options and that is why knowing about this niche is helpful for those of us here.

Absolutely. I started with international SIMs thanks to this site and I am still learning new things every day thanks to you guys.

[gkeeper]

Originally Posted by MBK

Of course, if you use them to call out normally they are much too expensive (but very convenient).

But there is nothing cheaper and more convenient if you use them with a good callback and dual-sim system.



This is why I also give close friends and family the number of the other regional/local sim I have in my dual-sim setup.

Everyone else gets only the +372 number. The advantage is that I can give only 1 number where I am reachable worldwide. I don't need to give X different numbers to my contacts and I don't need to update them with new numbers every time I land in a new country.



This is why I went with the +372 SIM: it has both advantages you are referring to:

1. it works out cheaper than anything else if you take the time to learn how to use it properly (callback + dual SIM).

For example, Piranha (one of the other SIMs suggested here) is useless to me as it charges for incoming calls and outgoing calls are much more expensive than what I pay with my +372 SIM with callback + dual-Sim setup. Piranha is even less recommended in my case as its rates are only good regionally, so I would have to juggle with X number of SIMs.



2. and for those who don't want callback (+ eventually dual SIM) the +372 SIM can also be very simple, but then it will cost more.



Absolutely. I started with international SIMs thanks to this site and I am still learning new things every day thanks to you guys.

I use Piranha, Tru and Toggle (Toggle only in Toggle countries) and have compared prices with Onesimcard and Airbaliticard and the maths works out, that overall the Onesimcard and Airbaliticard are more expensive, not only for outgoing calls but especially for the caller. You mentioned calls to +372 numbers are $0.06, but only from certain VoIP providers, therefore all of my friends and family would have to sign up and download a sip client and no doubt pay a minimum top up when signing up, if they did not they would have to pay anything between £0.50 and £1.00 to call me on a +372 number.

I personally have about 50 very important contacts from family to friends and business, and i do not think many would sign up and pay maybe £10.00 for top up only to ring me. So overall my assessment is not so simple or cheap to use. And if the Estonian call rates fall in line with EU regulations, then there will be no free roaming, unless both companies are willing to subsidise incoming calls. I have been following the thread and this is only my observation and research, hopefully with valid points.

[HappyCamp]

Originally Posted by gkeeper

I use Piranha, Tru and Toggle (Toggle only in Toggle countries) and have compared prices with Onesimcard and Airbaliticard and the maths works out, that overall the Onesimcard and Airbaliticard are more expensive, not only for outgoing calls but especially for the caller.

I am going on a trip to Europe and will travel to Denmark, Germany, Czech Republic, Austria, Hungary, France, and Spain.

I too went with Piranha Mobile, TruPhone, and Toggle Mobile.

TruPhone states it will cost me $0.09 per minute to receive calls in all of my listed countries. And $0.32 per minute to make calls to other phones within the same country. I think it is $0.11 to send SMS messages. They provide a US phone number.

Piranha rates vary from country to country. Receiving calls cost $0.06 to $0.08 per minute. Making calls to other phones within the same country cost $0.17 to $0.23 per minute. Sending SMS always seems to be $0.15. They provide a US and UK (not Isle of Man) phone number.

Toggle Mobile in the "local number" countries of Denmark, Germany, France, and Spain. 3 pence (UK) per minute to land lines, 9 pence (UK) per minute to mobile, 9 pence (UK) per SMS. Calls/SMS are to phones within the same country. Free incoming calls in these countries. They provide a UK phone number and then a phone number in each one of the countries. I believe that the UK number is NOT an Isle of Man number.

[MBK]

Yes, very valid points.

Originally Posted by gkeeper

I use Piranha, Tru and Toggle (Toggle only in Toggle countries) and have compared prices with Onesimcard and Airbaliticard and the maths works out, that overall the Onesimcard and Airbaliticard are more expensive, not only for outgoing calls but especially for the caller. You mentioned calls to +372 numbers are $0.06, but only from certain VoIP providers, therefore all of my friends and family would have to sign up and download a sip client and no doubt pay a minimum top up when signing up, if they did not they would have to pay anything between £0.50 and £1.00 to call me on a +372 number.

Not necessarily a sip client, it also offers callback, local access numbers, and also works with any sip enabled phone.

Originally Posted by gkeeper

I personally have about 50 very important contacts from family to friends and business, and i do not think many would sign up and pay maybe £10.00 for top up only to ring me.

But I agree, a good option in your situation would be what we discussed earlier:

1. open an account with anveo (cheap numbers) or callcentric (free US number and easier to use than anveo).
2. forward the incoming calls on that number to your sip address (free)
3. forward your sip provider to your phone (cost €0.005 to UK mobile, France mobile, etc... Free to US mobile, €0.07 to Estonia mobile) (with the betamax clones the forwarding setting is only available in the windows application. Once set it works for all incoming calls).

This way you give your contacts only 1 number, and you can change that forwarding to any SIM you are using at the time.

Even if you move to another SIM, people can reach you on the same number.

[MBK]

Originally Posted by fsotirop

This thread seems more like a onesimcard promotion page from some new registered users!


Airbalticcard: NO credit expiry, active 2 years after last usage (JUST 1 chargable call or sms)... is the best +372 simcard for EU travellers.
they also have per second billing for outgoing calls within EU... both xxsim and onesimacard charge per minute.
airbalticcard simcard costs just 10euro... a lot cheaper than onesimcard.

ATTENTION: onesimcard expire the credit after of just 10months of the last recharge! they also require the ridicilus amount of $25 for minimum recharge. lost credit is NOT refundable!

Yes, thanks for your feedback.

I have already agreed with you in a post above that airbaltic could be the better one of the +372 travelsims thanks to this credit expiry, lower price and 1sec increments in Europe.

I'll take another look at it. My Onesimcard will be arriving at credit renewal time, but perhaps I'll order an Airbaltic instead.

[MBK]

Originally Posted by fsotirop

Airbalticcard

I went to the airbaltic website to check it out:

Free incoming/forwarding countries:

Airbaltic: 134 (they say more than 140 but I could count only 134)
Onesimcard: 154

Furthermore, many of the regions Onesimcard provides free service in aren't even in the Airbaltic rates list.

Of course, most of these regions are considered overseas territories of some countries, but many companies still charge them differently.

The list below of 20 + 134 = 154 which equals the number of free regions served by Onesimcard could have us think that they are considering these regions as parts of other countires.

The question is, does Airbaltic offer service in these regions or not? And are these regions free (as with Onesimcard)?

I have sent them an email to inquire about this. We'll see.


Regions:

Aland Islands
Azores
Bonaire
Canary Islands
Christmas Isl.
Curacao
Easter Island
Guernsey
Isle of Man
Jersey
Reunion Island
Saba
St. Barts
St. Eustatius
St. Maarten
St. Martin
Svalbard
Tibet
US Virgin Isl.
Zanzibar