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prion · 28-07-2007, 12:05

I am wondering how much it costs to dial such number (+447937) from BT. From Greece (when using OTE-BT equivalent) it costs 2,5 times more than calling UK Vodafone for example (or Orange, o2, tmobile).
So If you are not using voip what is the cost? From normal (pstn) telephone lines. Can someone advise on this?

AndreA · 28-07-2007, 12:10

In Italy Prion actually we don't have any difference from UK price list (excpet for some Voip carriers). So using a mobile network or a landline I'm just paying as a british mobile (for ex. from my 3 postpaid contract I pay only 9 ct. / min to call a +4479

).

prion · 28-07-2007, 12:21

But here, in Greece it is different. I have already explained that dialing the +447937 prefix costs much more than other uk mobile networks. OTE has claimed that this is due to higher termination rates imposed by foreign networks (Jersey telecom in our case).

I am almost certain that BT is going to charge more when calling to 07937. I would also like to mention that voipfone (UK voip provider) does not connect to 07937.

Keighleyboy · 05-08-2007, 23:52

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Originally Posted by prion

But here, in Greece it is different. I have already explained that dialing the +447937 prefix costs much more than other uk mobile networks. OTE has claimed that this is due to higher termination rates imposed by foreign networks (Jersey telecom in our case).

I am almost certain that BT is going to charge more when calling to 07937. I would also like to mention that voipfone (UK voip provider) does not connect to 07937.

After a few days of emails back and forth between myself and Voipfone.co.uk it looks like they will be connecting to Jersey Telecom based numbers

Their latest reply was...

Thanks for taking the time to contact Voipfone.

We are currently making changes with our routing tables, and negotiating prices.

We’ll see if we can get 07937 routed, at the moment if we enabled that route we would have to charge around 32p per minute (ex VAT).

...Which is more than what they charge for IOM based numbers at 12p (ex VAT)

At least they are a company that listens to it customers, I remember not so long ago they wouldn't connect 07911 WiFi services but after one email with them they now do

bbob · 07-08-2007, 07:41

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Originally Posted by Keighleyboy

After a few days of emails back and forth between myself and Voipfone.co.uk it looks like they will be connecting to Jersey Telecom based numbers

Their latest reply was...

Thanks for taking the time to contact Voipfone.

We are currently making changes with our routing tables, and negotiating prices.

We’ll see if we can get 07937 routed, at the moment if we enabled that route we would have to charge around 32p per minute (ex VAT).

...Which is more than what they charge for IOM based numbers at 12p (ex VAT)

At least they are a company that listens to it customers, I remember not so long ago they wouldn't connect 07911 WiFi services but after one email with them they now do

For my busniess I use voicetrading the pro part of betamax only for companies. You need a vat number and company registration to buy credit, which is at leasat 500 euro credit. But the rate is only 0,10 euro and it works fine.
The also have very competitive rates to other destinations and their rates to mobile phones in many countries are very low.
The now offer 3 type of services. dail 0001 for a cheap call rate. 00 for a normal rate and 000 for a premium quality. the 000 rate is not really that much higher than the normal or low quality rate.

DRNewcomb · 28-07-2007, 16:05

I'll be very curious to learn what the various US international carriers and callback services will charge to call the +44937.... range of numbers.

VladS · 28-07-2007, 16:17

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Originally Posted by DRNewcomb

I'll be very curious to learn what the various US international carriers and callback services will charge to call the +44937.... range of numbers.

I have a hunch Barry @ CBW will have a very attractive callback solution for +44-7937.

MATHA531 · 07-08-2007, 15:30

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Originally Posted by VladS

I have a hunch Barry @ CBW will have a very attractive callback solution for +44-7937.

Don't be so sure about this (not that I don't like Barry and think cbw has worked real well for me until the fiasco with Liechtenstein mobiles that started in April when the price was raised from 14¢ to 29¢ and now to well over 50¢.

However, if you check the tables, you will find that calls to and from UK mobiles on cbw cost over 40¢/minute as compared to 28¢/minute from and to German and French mobiles.

One would sense they are averaging things out to the +44 mobiles with the calls to and from the Isle of Man pulling this price up (perhaps their billing tables cannot distinguish between one +44 carrier from another)...only voicestick to the best of my limited knowledge has different prices to and from +44 carriers with Orange and T Mobile being in the 13¢ range and O2 and Isle of Man being around 31¢/minute.

Unfortunately I am afraid to use voicestick for call forwarding purposes because of their inability (or refusal) to fix the problem of being charged for 5 minutes when a quick 10 second message is left in voice mail. This has been an ongoing problem unique to them that I find it difficult to believe has not been resolved despits countless e mails regarding this.

I've been able to use my verizon landline call forwarding when I've travelled away from home to various European sims....generally when in the UK I've used local sims and the rate runs around 28¢/minute...up till April to Liechtenstein mobiles it was 11¢/minute and now has shot through the roof to 41¢/minute...the question is what will at&t which is my ld carrier used when call forwarding internationally charge to either the Isle of Man.....I was hoping to find out simplyusing a call into voicemail (to set it up anyway) with the new UM+ sim but as noted elsewhere, when the phone is off I get an error message the number doesn't exist while of course if I have the phone on and let it slide into voicemail, we get the double billing whammy gsm phones are famous for and of course while in the USA I can't answer the UM+ or its over €2...and both the Estonian and Icelandic termination fees on at&t ld are absurd.

prion · 28-07-2007, 16:58

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Originally Posted by DRNewcomb

I'll be very curious to learn what the various US international carriers and callback services will charge to call the +44937.... range of numbers.

That will probably depend on them having one rate to dial uk mobiles or not. If they have one rate, then they will probably include it there.

Voiptalk (uk voip provider) charges 24 pence/min to connect to 07937 numbers.

hawkdeira · 28-07-2007, 23:35

However, with roaming the things are different. So far, 3 out of 4 operators here declared their euroroaming tariffs. Plus and Play don't mention about Channel Is/IoM so they probably consider them as parts of UK. However, Era in its roaming tariffs declared those territories explicitly as non-EU (both as origin and destination of calls).

Umm, yes! The Isle of Man and the Channel Islands are not in the UK and not in the EU . . .

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prion (Offline) Senior Member Prepaid Pioneer Posts: 589 Join Date: 01 May 2006 Location: Greece Country:	28-07-2007, 12:05 I am wondering how much it costs to dial such number (+447937) from BT. From Greece (when using OTE-BT equivalent) it costs 2,5 times more than calling UK Vodafone for example (or Orange, o2, tmobile). So If you are not using voip what is the cost? From normal (pstn) telephone lines. Can someone advise on this?

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prion (Offline) Senior Member Prepaid Pioneer Posts: 589 Join Date: 01 May 2006 Location: Greece Country:	28-07-2007, 12:21 But here, in Greece it is different. I have already explained that dialing the +447937 prefix costs much more than other uk mobile networks. OTE has claimed that this is due to higher termination rates imposed by foreign networks (Jersey telecom in our case). I am almost certain that BT is going to charge more when calling to 07937. I would also like to mention that voipfone (UK voip provider) does not connect to 07937.

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DRNewcomb (Offline) Senior Member Prepaid Professionist Posts: 1,465 Join Date: 27 Feb 2004 Location: Mississippi, USA Country:	28-07-2007, 16:05 I'll be very curious to learn what the various US international carriers and callback services will charge to call the +44937.... range of numbers.

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hawkdeira (Offline) Member Advanced Member Posts: 56 Join Date: 13 Jun 2005 Country:	28-07-2007, 23:35 However, with roaming the things are different. So far, 3 out of 4 operators here declared their euroroaming tariffs. Plus and Play don't mention about Channel Is/IoM so they probably consider them as parts of UK. However, Era in its roaming tariffs declared those territories explicitly as non-EU (both as origin and destination of calls). Umm, yes! The Isle of Man and the Channel Islands are not in the UK and not in the EU . . .