EU may end all roaming charges - Page 2

tux · 21-06-2013, 11:18

This is one step towards less expensive roaming charges:

Scopri Vodafone Smart Passport

(I don't mean the offer itself, but I refer to the grey rectangle titled "Novità")

NFH · 21-06-2013, 11:39

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Originally Posted by tux

This is one step towards less expensive roaming charges:

Scopri Vodafone Smart Passport

(I don't mean the offer itself, but I refer to the grey rectangle titled "Novità")

Vodafone UK has an even simpler version of this. You pay £3/day when you're roaming, and all your usage is charged as if you were in the UK, e.g. from your inclusive allowances. All that will happen for Vodafone customers when the EU imposes its ban on roaming charges is that the £3/day charge will disappear.

tux · 21-06-2013, 12:32

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Originally Posted by NFH

Vodafone UK has an even simpler version of this. You pay £3/day when you're roaming, and all your usage is charged as if you were in the UK, e.g. from your inclusive allowances. All that will happen for Vodafone customers when the EU imposes its ban on roaming charges is that the £3/day charge will disappear.

I hope so... There's also a rumour about an European telephone numbering plan. I wonder how they'll manage the diversity of prefixes and length of numbers throughout Europe...

NFH · 21-06-2013, 12:39

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Originally Posted by tux

I hope so... There's also a rumour about an European telephone numbering plan. I wonder how they'll manage the diversity of prefixes and length of numbers throughout Europe...

Would they have a +4 code for the whole of the EEA? They couldn't use +3 because there are several non-EEA European countries with +3 country codes.

See List of country calling codes - Wikipedia

tux · 21-06-2013, 12:51

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Originally Posted by NFH

Would they have a +4 code for the whole of the EEA? They couldn't use +3 because there are several non-EEA European countries with +3 country codes.

See List of country calling codes - Wikipedia

Long time ago the EU proposed this: Telephone numbers in the European Union - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
But it's an awful proposal. Let's see what Neelie Kroes proposes in September

wco81 · 03-07-2013, 17:48

OK, so this new rule passed another milestone and is definitely slated to take effect in July 2014.

By the end of this month, they will outline the specific implementation rules, so we should have a clear idea of what we should and shouldn't be able to do next year.

http://www.wired.co.uk/news/ar.../roaming-charges-die

wco81 · 03-07-2013, 23:58

Actually, there are two different things.

They do have existing laws to decrease roaming charges every year.

But the EU commissioner wants to eliminate them entirely, which would be a big change, to set up one mobile market across the EU. The politicians like the idea but the mobile industry may not necessarily like it.

This more radical proposal may or may not pass into law. The industry may lobby heavily against it.

Then there could be all kinds of unintended consequences.

The carriers make a lot of money on roaming fees. If they're abolished, their response may be to raise fees for other services.

Here's a better overview:

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05...?pagewanted=all&_r=0

wco81 · 09-08-2013, 18:39

So here are the prospects for EU commissioner Kroes' proposal to drop all roaming.

Bets on Europe Ending Data-Roaming Charges Exaggerated - Bloomberg

Industry is against it but they've been against the price caps on roaming charges that the EU has been imposing for years.

Kroes rationale is that the EU wireless market should be more like the US, where there Americans can use data throughout the country without roaming charges, whereas a UK citizen visiting nearby France would be subject to high roaming data and voice charges.

EU is behind US and Asia in 4G deployments, partially due to price competition from too many carriers. Of course, on the other hand, US carriers charge higher prices for inferior coverage.

The legislation has several milestones coming up including in September when the other EU commissioners would have to support it, then to the countries and then there could be votes ahead of elections next May (for the EU parliament?).

Motel75 · 09-08-2013, 19:54

I'm of two minds over this - while it's great that the ridiculous roaming charges for calls and data are being reduced, nothing in life is free. In fact, I think the price cap for SMS is already too low. The EU is not a comparable market to the US, because these caps apply to all carriers, including competitors. If price caps were eliminated, that would force unrelated carriers in other countries to carry calls/data at the originating carrier's domestic rate. This would especially affect carriers in countries that draw a lot of visitors. Something would have to pay for this.

Marschel · 09-08-2013, 20:08

I think the big operators like Deutsche Telekom (T-Mobile), Orange and Vodafone should act like "3" with their RoamLikeHome.

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tux (Offline) Senior Member Prepaid Expert Posts: 250 Join Date: 28 Jan 2011 Country:	21-06-2013, 11:18 This is one step towards less expensive roaming charges: Scopri Vodafone Smart Passport (I don't mean the offer itself, but I refer to the grey rectangle titled "Novità")

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wco81 (Offline) Senior Member Prepaid Expert Posts: 304 Join Date: 17 Jun 2007 Country:	03-07-2013, 17:48 OK, so this new rule passed another milestone and is definitely slated to take effect in July 2014. By the end of this month, they will outline the specific implementation rules, so we should have a clear idea of what we should and shouldn't be able to do next year. http://www.wired.co.uk/news/ar.../roaming-charges-die

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wco81 (Offline) Senior Member Prepaid Expert Posts: 304 Join Date: 17 Jun 2007 Country:	03-07-2013, 23:58 Actually, there are two different things. They do have existing laws to decrease roaming charges every year. But the EU commissioner wants to eliminate them entirely, which would be a big change, to set up one mobile market across the EU. The politicians like the idea but the mobile industry may not necessarily like it. This more radical proposal may or may not pass into law. The industry may lobby heavily against it. Then there could be all kinds of unintended consequences. The carriers make a lot of money on roaming fees. If they're abolished, their response may be to raise fees for other services. Here's a better overview: http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05...?pagewanted=all&_r=0

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wco81 (Offline) Senior Member Prepaid Expert Posts: 304 Join Date: 17 Jun 2007 Country:	09-08-2013, 18:39 So here are the prospects for EU commissioner Kroes' proposal to drop all roaming. Bets on Europe Ending Data-Roaming Charges Exaggerated - Bloomberg Industry is against it but they've been against the price caps on roaming charges that the EU has been imposing for years. Kroes rationale is that the EU wireless market should be more like the US, where there Americans can use data throughout the country without roaming charges, whereas a UK citizen visiting nearby France would be subject to high roaming data and voice charges. EU is behind US and Asia in 4G deployments, partially due to price competition from too many carriers. Of course, on the other hand, US carriers charge higher prices for inferior coverage. The legislation has several milestones coming up including in September when the other EU commissioners would have to support it, then to the countries and then there could be votes ahead of elections next May (for the EU parliament?).

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Motel75 (Offline) Senior Member Prepaid Pioneer Posts: 573 Join Date: 15 Jun 2006 Location: Berlin Country:	09-08-2013, 19:54 I'm of two minds over this - while it's great that the ridiculous roaming charges for calls and data are being reduced, nothing in life is free. In fact, I think the price cap for SMS is already too low. The EU is not a comparable market to the US, because these caps apply to all carriers, including competitors. If price caps were eliminated, that would force unrelated carriers in other countries to carry calls/data at the originating carrier's domestic rate. This would especially affect carriers in countries that draw a lot of visitors. Something would have to pay for this. Current DE: Vodafone, Netzklub; PL: Klucz, Virgin; UK: Giffgaff, Vodafone; US: T-Mobile; CA: 7-Eleven; IT: Vodafone; UA: Kyivstar; FR: Bouygues; GR: Vodafone Former DE: Vodafone, T-Mobile, O2, Blauworld, 01051mobile, Solomo, Lycamobile, Simyo, Congstar, Fonic, Edeka Mobile, Lidl Mobile; PL: Heyah, Era, Virgin, Sami Swoi, Orange, POP, iPlus, Carrefour Mova, Telepin Mobi, Play, Lycamobile, T-Mobile; UK: Vodafone, T-Mobile, Virgin; US: T-Mobile, AT&T, Lycamobile; CZ: Vodafone, Oskar; ES: Lebara; GR: Vodafone, Wind; UA: Vodafone; IL: Orange; TR: Turkcell

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Marschel (Offline) Member Official Member Posts: 48 Join Date: 27 Jul 2013 Location: Nuremberg Country:	09-08-2013, 20:08 I think the big operators like Deutsche Telekom (T-Mobile), Orange and Vodafone should act like "3" with their RoamLikeHome. Home: Telekom Deutschland (Business & Consumer contract) Abroad: AT: 3Reload iPad, Iniative 100%, Nimm3 Internet Klassik, Orange Wertkarte, Wowww!, yesss! classic, yesss! complete; CH: Sunrise, Swisscom Natel easy; ES: Movistar, Orange; GR: Cosmote, WIND; LU: Orange; NL: AH MOBIEL, T-Mobile; SE: Telenor, Telia; UK: 3Play, Lycamobile, Truphone, Virgin Mobile Devices: Apple iPad mini with Retina, iPhone 5s; Huawei B593u-12, E5372Ts-32; Samsung Galaxy Note II LTE