Skype to invest in UM - Page 2

bbob · 26-07-2007, 14:12

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Originally Posted by prion

You are right on your points. My point was only that UM is getting a good revenue from the increase of rates to call its network. Normally a carrier does not change the rate to a destination (at least not in such an extent) unless this is imposed by the destination

Now we seem to know more about the background of this investment. UM have new +44 numbers which kills my argument against the +423 numbers.

The +44 number will help them as it is more recognised and can be called easily at lower rates than the +423 numbers.

Przemolog · 26-07-2007, 15:09

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Originally Posted by bbob

Now we seem to know more about the background of this investment. UM have new +44 numbers which kills my argument against the +423 numbers.

The +44 number will help them as it is more recognised and can be called easily at lower rates than the +423 numbers.

But consider one issue: +44 7937 SIMs are not just +423 663 SIMs to which call are forwarded from +44 numbers. They are a separate product with different coverage and pricing.

bbob · 26-07-2007, 15:57

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Originally Posted by Przemolog

But consider one issue: +44 7937 SIMs are not just +423 663 SIMs to which call are forwarded from +44 numbers. They are a separate product with different coverage and pricing.

Pricing is not an issue as I use my own callback system with voip.

Coverage is good the same for european countries, only asia, africa etc there are some difference. But I do get your point.

As I said before the biggest disadvante of +423 seems to be the rates calling this number are increasing and increasing.
+44 mobile rates seem to be good and does not matter is you dial IOM mobile of Jersey mobile or uK mobile. Most operators just have 1 rate for +44 mobile.

snidely · 26-07-2007, 16:39

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Originally Posted by bbob

Pricing is not an issue as I use my own callback system with voip.

Coverage is good the same for european countries, only asia, africa etc there are some difference. But I do get your point.

As I said before the biggest disadvante of +423 seems to be the rates calling this number are increasing and increasing.
+44 mobile rates seem to be good and does not matter is you dial IOM mobile of Jersey mobile or uK mobile. Most operators just have 1 rate for +44 mobile.

It appears in another thread that the +44 numbers UM is using are "super premium" numbers. My guess is that as operators discover what it is costing them to connect calls, they'll block them or raise the rates.
I assume these super premium numbers are like what 976 and 900 numbers are in the states. The holder of a 900 number gets a piece of the action.

...mike

bbob · 26-07-2007, 17:58

http://www.ukphoneinfo.com/search/Ph...s_code_79.html

link to +44-79 numbers. The 37 is listed to jersey telecom. All others fro 1-99 have other operators. Regular UK operators. So I don't see why the 37 would be a special number as 79 is also the starting code for many other mobile phone providers.

From all I have heard till now rates calling 7937 are the same as calling to any 79xx number.

http://www.eircomwholesale.ie/dynami...rch%202007.pdf

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+44-7509 is also a new range for jersey telecom

andy · 27-07-2007, 20:47

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Originally Posted by snidely

It appears in another thread that the +44 numbers UM is using are "super premium" numbers.

There is no such thing in +44 mobile numbers.

AndreA · 28-07-2007, 11:47

Actually a +44.79 for NOT UK people is simply a number in "UE Zone".

prion · 28-07-2007, 12:05

I am wondering how much it costs to dial such number (+447937) from BT. From Greece (when using OTE-BT equivalent) it costs 2,5 times more than calling UK Vodafone for example (or Orange, o2, tmobile).
So If you are not using voip what is the cost? From normal (pstn) telephone lines. Can someone advise on this?

AndreA · 28-07-2007, 12:10

In Italy Prion actually we don't have any difference from UK price list (excpet for some Voip carriers). So using a mobile network or a landline I'm just paying as a british mobile (for ex. from my 3 postpaid contract I pay only 9 ct. / min to call a +4479

).

prion · 28-07-2007, 12:21

But here, in Greece it is different. I have already explained that dialing the +447937 prefix costs much more than other uk mobile networks. OTE has claimed that this is due to higher termination rates imposed by foreign networks (Jersey telecom in our case).

I am almost certain that BT is going to charge more when calling to 07937. I would also like to mention that voipfone (UK voip provider) does not connect to 07937.

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bbob (Offline) Senior Member Prepaid Expert Posts: 499 Join Date: 20 Feb 2007 Country:	26-07-2007, 17:58 http://www.ukphoneinfo.com/search/Ph...s_code_79.html link to +44-79 numbers. The 37 is listed to jersey telecom. All others fro 1-99 have other operators. Regular UK operators. So I don't see why the 37 would be a special number as 79 is also the starting code for many other mobile phone providers. From all I have heard till now rates calling 7937 are the same as calling to any 79xx number. http://www.eircomwholesale.ie/dynami...rch%202007.pdf page 2 +44-7509 is also a new range for jersey telecom Last edited by bbob; 26-07-2007 at 18:11..

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AndreA (Offline) Administrator Prepaid Genius Posts: 1,650 Join Date: 13 Jan 2004 Location: Florence, Italy Country:	28-07-2007, 11:47 Actually a +44.79 for NOT UK people is simply a number in "UE Zone". ANTPEAΣ AΠO THN ΦΛΩPENTIA My Phones: iPhone 2G, E65, N70, P910 DVB-H, A835, 6630, 7600, 6210, S55, T39 "Working" PrePaids: IT: Wind, H3G, Vodafone, Tim, CoopVoce, Poste Mobile, Telepass Mobile, Uno Mobile - CH: OrangeClick - RSM: Prima Easy - UK: O2, H3G - INT: United Mobile, TravelSim, ICQ SIM "Deceased" PrePaids: IT: Blu - AT: H3G - FR: Itineris - ES: Yoigo - GR: Cosmote, Frog - HR: Tele2 - UK: Virgin, Orange TO: UCall - NZ: Vodafone - IN: Hutch - CAN: Fido - USA: T-Mobile - INT: Travelfone, CallKey, Globalsim, HopMobile, GT, 09, Mobal, Yackiemobile ITALIAN TLC BLOG

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prion (Offline) Senior Member Prepaid Pioneer Posts: 589 Join Date: 01 May 2006 Location: Greece Country:	28-07-2007, 12:05 I am wondering how much it costs to dial such number (+447937) from BT. From Greece (when using OTE-BT equivalent) it costs 2,5 times more than calling UK Vodafone for example (or Orange, o2, tmobile). So If you are not using voip what is the cost? From normal (pstn) telephone lines. Can someone advise on this?

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AndreA (Offline) Administrator Prepaid Genius Posts: 1,650 Join Date: 13 Jan 2004 Location: Florence, Italy Country:	28-07-2007, 12:10 In Italy Prion actually we don't have any difference from UK price list (excpet for some Voip carriers). So using a mobile network or a landline I'm just paying as a british mobile (for ex. from my 3 postpaid contract I pay only 9 ct. / min to call a +4479 ). ANTPEAΣ AΠO THN ΦΛΩPENTIA My Phones: iPhone 2G, E65, N70, P910 DVB-H, A835, 6630, 7600, 6210, S55, T39 "Working" PrePaids: IT: Wind, H3G, Vodafone, Tim, CoopVoce, Poste Mobile, Telepass Mobile, Uno Mobile - CH: OrangeClick - RSM: Prima Easy - UK: O2, H3G - INT: United Mobile, TravelSim, ICQ SIM "Deceased" PrePaids: IT: Blu - AT: H3G - FR: Itineris - ES: Yoigo - GR: Cosmote, Frog - HR: Tele2 - UK: Virgin, Orange TO: UCall - NZ: Vodafone - IN: Hutch - CAN: Fido - USA: T-Mobile - INT: Travelfone, CallKey, Globalsim, HopMobile, GT, 09, Mobal, Yackiemobile ITALIAN TLC BLOG

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prion (Offline) Senior Member Prepaid Pioneer Posts: 589 Join Date: 01 May 2006 Location: Greece Country:	28-07-2007, 12:21 But here, in Greece it is different. I have already explained that dialing the +447937 prefix costs much more than other uk mobile networks. OTE has claimed that this is due to higher termination rates imposed by foreign networks (Jersey telecom in our case). I am almost certain that BT is going to charge more when calling to 07937. I would also like to mention that voipfone (UK voip provider) does not connect to 07937.