All Belgium Base simcards soon to be deactivated - Page 4

patphelan · 28-06-2010, 23:16

Our licence is mainland Europe
we are using MSISDN'S from multiple countries, we just decided to start with the UK, we will add mutiple numbers over the next few months
we also supply DIDS from 66 countries
Why do I feel we are always on trial here Andy

andy · 28-06-2010, 23:30

So these would be arrangements with a series of MNOs to use their identities?

I think some people would be interested to see a UK MSISDN. Can you give an idea when it will become available?

And will you be using BASE or Mobistar for a Belgian ID, or is it too soon to say?

patphelan · 02-07-2010, 14:16

Thank you Petkow
I appreciate your message
we have tried to engage here on numerous occasions, I find it at times to be full of so called "experts"
We do fine and we will continue to do fine
We have consistently advanced our offerings and our technologies and have never left 1 customers without 1 cent unlike many others including ones that used to sponsor this forum
We have never not engaged even under this constant pressure/"Harassment"
I am SURE one of the other "experts" will reply to this email THOUGH I would rather they not
Have a great weekend

123456 · 02-07-2010, 15:10

Yesterday i met a friend who recently bought a new Global SIM card from Maxroam.
Some facts i noticed about the SIM:
- In Holland it only roams on Vodafone, not on KPN or T-Mobile.
- The UK phone number (dial *123#) starts with +44793 (Jersey)
- The number on the SIM starts with 89423 (Liechtenstein)
- The phone says that Vodafone NL is its 'home' network
- The SMSC also seems to be at Vodafone NL
So all in all it's rather an original combination!

patphelan · 03-07-2010, 12:46

Thank you for this Andy
we will take all your positive

points onboard and will review them.
Thanks again everyone and many thanks for everyone who emailed us the kind messages.
you should have your SIM cards by now
Happy testing

PaytooMobile · 03-07-2010, 13:33

Maxroaming offers 250 minutes plus sms for 79 EURO. So:
- It's not unlimited but 250 minutes plus 100 sms
- It's a bundle so half of the people do not use all minutes but do pay the full amount and the other half uses more so they pay extra and these tariffs are higher
- An incoming minute is also a full minute
- 100 sms in europe would cost 13 euro so 79 - 13 = 66 / 250 = 26,4 cents per average minute. our average minute is much lower because incoming is much cheaper

So............ it's not cheaper but just smart marketing. Every one can also offer bundles if they like. The disadvantage is that you do not know on forehand what margin you will make which you do with your current model.
Different models
1. Minute price plus fixed margin => you know exactly what margin you make
2. Minute price plus connection fee => your margin depends on the average lenght of a call
3. Bundle => your margin depends on how many minutes people call on average and the spread between incoming and outgoing

patphelan · 03-07-2010, 19:40

Thanks for the comment on our "Smart Marketing"
As we have mentioned numerous times our service is not callback which I presume you service is, our customers can receive the calls on the DID if they feel like it at the same price with DID'S practically at cost.
I am surprised that the forum administrators (or am I ) allow companies to "slag" each other off here

I would remind you of an old saying though "People who live in glass houses should get undressed in the dark" nice to see you guys back, we were getting worried it was sooooooo long.

bbob · 04-07-2010, 15:20

Pat, callback or not who cares.

Your solution when used in europe is not cheaper than many other regular sim card. Hence Vodaphone even has cheaper solutions in europe that what you are offering.

As for some countries you have fair rates but for others you have very high incoming. I repeat myself USA is free incoming on the UK number form many callback sim cards. You charge for that. Same applies to other countries.

As for the did there is 1 thing i learned the last years on this forum, never rely on a company here to buy your did number. They change platforms to many times. In case there is a problem your did number is worthless and final your did prices are just to high.

I know there are huge differences in did prices and some don't mind paying to much, but if you look further you can get many for free or at very low prices.

I would be easier to setup you owen pbx using did numbers and than forward this to your mobile. In case you decide to change platforms again or any other providers one would just buy a new card from another provider and forward to that number

Effendi · 05-07-2010, 08:21

I will repeat it once again to all DEALERS and people involved in the telecom business.
READ HERE:
PrePaidGSM.net Forum - Announcements in Forum : International GSM prepaid cards
These are the rules. We don't want flame wars between operators here.

Stu · 05-07-2010, 15:59

I forward my own DIDs via my PBX. I am also implementing the Digium Skype to SIP gateway so that my mobile can be dialed from the ringtoskype gateway from numerous countries using a local number plus three digit extension.

Like most people on those forum, I am willing to work fairlymhard to keep my price down. Many people want a one stop shop. I presume this is maxroam's target audience.

On phones, I am like my mother-in-law who is a compulsive coupon clipper and organizes her shopping to squeeze every last dollar out of the process. She filled a grocery cart for $15 two weeks ago. The stores will never make money ger. We are the same. The best a roaming SIM company can hope to make off someone who has his own callbackserver, routes his/her own DIDs, etc is a modest profit.

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patphelan (Offline) DEALER Amateur Member Posts: 29 Join Date: 22 Oct 2007 Location: Cork, Ireland Country:	28-06-2010, 23:16 Our licence is mainland Europe we are using MSISDN'S from multiple countries, we just decided to start with the UK, we will add mutiple numbers over the next few months we also supply DIDS from 66 countries Why do I feel we are always on trial here Andy Pat Phelan 6310i to Nexus and all in between

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andy (Offline) Senior Member Prepaid Prophet Posts: 2,128 Join Date: 10 Dec 2004 Country:	28-06-2010, 23:30 So these would be arrangements with a series of MNOs to use their identities? I think some people would be interested to see a UK MSISDN. Can you give an idea when it will become available? And will you be using BASE or Mobistar for a Belgian ID, or is it too soon to say?

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patphelan (Offline) DEALER Amateur Member Posts: 29 Join Date: 22 Oct 2007 Location: Cork, Ireland Country:	02-07-2010, 14:16 Thank you Petkow I appreciate your message we have tried to engage here on numerous occasions, I find it at times to be full of so called "experts" We do fine and we will continue to do fine We have consistently advanced our offerings and our technologies and have never left 1 customers without 1 cent unlike many others including ones that used to sponsor this forum We have never not engaged even under this constant pressure/"Harassment" I am SURE one of the other "experts" will reply to this email THOUGH I would rather they not Have a great weekend Pat Phelan 6310i to Nexus and all in between

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123456 (Offline) Senior Member Prepaid Fan Posts: 134 Join Date: 14 Feb 2005 Country:	02-07-2010, 15:10 Yesterday i met a friend who recently bought a new Global SIM card from Maxroam. Some facts i noticed about the SIM: - In Holland it only roams on Vodafone, not on KPN or T-Mobile. - The UK phone number (dial *123#) starts with +44793 (Jersey) - The number on the SIM starts with 89423 (Liechtenstein) - The phone says that Vodafone NL is its 'home' network - The SMSC also seems to be at Vodafone NL So all in all it's rather an original combination!

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patphelan (Offline) DEALER Amateur Member Posts: 29 Join Date: 22 Oct 2007 Location: Cork, Ireland Country:	03-07-2010, 12:46 Thank you for this Andy we will take all your positive points onboard and will review them. Thanks again everyone and many thanks for everyone who emailed us the kind messages. you should have your SIM cards by now Happy testing Pat Phelan 6310i to Nexus and all in between

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PaytooMobile (Offline) Junior Member Amateur Member Posts: 19 Join Date: 03 May 2010 Location: Fort Lauderdale Country:	03-07-2010, 13:33 Maxroaming offers 250 minutes plus sms for 79 EURO. So: - It's not unlimited but 250 minutes plus 100 sms - It's a bundle so half of the people do not use all minutes but do pay the full amount and the other half uses more so they pay extra and these tariffs are higher - An incoming minute is also a full minute - 100 sms in europe would cost 13 euro so 79 - 13 = 66 / 250 = 26,4 cents per average minute. our average minute is much lower because incoming is much cheaper So............ it's not cheaper but just smart marketing. Every one can also offer bundles if they like. The disadvantage is that you do not know on forehand what margin you will make which you do with your current model. Different models 1. Minute price plus fixed margin => you know exactly what margin you make 2. Minute price plus connection fee => your margin depends on the average lenght of a call 3. Bundle => your margin depends on how many minutes people call on average and the spread between incoming and outgoing Paytoo Mobile

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patphelan (Offline) DEALER Amateur Member Posts: 29 Join Date: 22 Oct 2007 Location: Cork, Ireland Country:	03-07-2010, 19:40 Thanks for the comment on our "Smart Marketing" As we have mentioned numerous times our service is not callback which I presume you service is, our customers can receive the calls on the DID if they feel like it at the same price with DID'S practically at cost. I am surprised that the forum administrators (or am I ) allow companies to "slag" each other off here I would remind you of an old saying though "People who live in glass houses should get undressed in the dark" nice to see you guys back, we were getting worried it was sooooooo long. Pat Phelan 6310i to Nexus and all in between

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bbob (Offline) Senior Member Prepaid Expert Posts: 499 Join Date: 20 Feb 2007 Country:	04-07-2010, 15:20 Pat, callback or not who cares. Your solution when used in europe is not cheaper than many other regular sim card. Hence Vodaphone even has cheaper solutions in europe that what you are offering. As for some countries you have fair rates but for others you have very high incoming. I repeat myself USA is free incoming on the UK number form many callback sim cards. You charge for that. Same applies to other countries. As for the did there is 1 thing i learned the last years on this forum, never rely on a company here to buy your did number. They change platforms to many times. In case there is a problem your did number is worthless and final your did prices are just to high. I know there are huge differences in did prices and some don't mind paying to much, but if you look further you can get many for free or at very low prices. I would be easier to setup you owen pbx using did numbers and than forward this to your mobile. In case you decide to change platforms again or any other providers one would just buy a new card from another provider and forward to that number

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Effendi (Offline) The great Dictator! Prepaid Prophet Posts: 2,487 Join Date: 13 Jan 2004 Location: Trieste/Trst Country:	05-07-2010, 08:21 I will repeat it once again to all DEALERS and people involved in the telecom business. READ HERE: PrePaidGSM.net Forum - Announcements in Forum : International GSM prepaid cards These are the rules. We don't want flame wars between operators here. Working Prepaids: IT: Wind, Vodafone IT, UNO Mobile; SM: Prima; UK: 3, Virgin; INT: TravelSIM, Truphone. Deceased Prepaids: CZ: Oskar, Eurotel; SK: Orange; DE: E-Plus, Aldi, Simyo; GE: Geocell; AM: Armentel; PL: Heyah, Plus; LT: Tele2; LV: Amigo; EE: Elisa; UA: Kyivstar; NZ: Vodafone; INT: UM, UM+, ICQSim. GSM/3G Phones: Nokia Lumia 630 dual sim

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Stu (Offline) Senior Member Prepaid Guru Posts: 1,091 Join Date: 11 Feb 2004 Location: Detroit (formerly Dubai) Country:	05-07-2010, 15:59 I forward my own DIDs via my PBX. I am also implementing the Digium Skype to SIP gateway so that my mobile can be dialed from the ringtoskype gateway from numerous countries using a local number plus three digit extension. Like most people on those forum, I am willing to work fairlymhard to keep my price down. Many people want a one stop shop. I presume this is maxroam's target audience. On phones, I am like my mother-in-law who is a compulsive coupon clipper and organizes her shopping to squeeze every last dollar out of the process. She filled a grocery cart for $15 two weeks ago. The stores will never make money ger. We are the same. The best a roaming SIM company can hope to make off someone who has his own callbackserver, routes his/her own DIDs, etc is a modest profit.