Skype to invest in UM

[Przemolog]

Originally Posted by bbob

Now we seem to know more about the background of this investment. UM have new +44 numbers which kills my argument against the +423 numbers.

The +44 number will help them as it is more recognised and can be called easily at lower rates than the +423 numbers.

But consider one issue: +44 7937 SIMs are not just +423 663 SIMs to which call are forwarded from +44 numbers. They are a separate product with different coverage and pricing.

[bbob]

Originally Posted by Przemolog

But consider one issue: +44 7937 SIMs are not just +423 663 SIMs to which call are forwarded from +44 numbers. They are a separate product with different coverage and pricing.

Pricing is not an issue as I use my own callback system with voip.

Coverage is good the same for european countries, only asia, africa etc there are some difference. But I do get your point.

As I said before the biggest disadvante of +423 seems to be the rates calling this number are increasing and increasing.
+44 mobile rates seem to be good and does not matter is you dial IOM mobile of Jersey mobile or uK mobile. Most operators just have 1 rate for +44 mobile.

[snidely]

Originally Posted by bbob

Pricing is not an issue as I use my own callback system with voip.

Coverage is good the same for european countries, only asia, africa etc there are some difference. But I do get your point.

As I said before the biggest disadvante of +423 seems to be the rates calling this number are increasing and increasing.
+44 mobile rates seem to be good and does not matter is you dial IOM mobile of Jersey mobile or uK mobile. Most operators just have 1 rate for +44 mobile.

It appears in another thread that the +44 numbers UM is using are "super premium" numbers. My guess is that as operators discover what it is costing them to connect calls, they'll block them or raise the rates.
I assume these super premium numbers are like what 976 and 900 numbers are in the states. The holder of a 900 number gets a piece of the action.

...mike

[GadgetKen]

This could be intriguing in terms of:
1) If they hooked Skype-In VOIP directly to the United Mobile/Mobilekom Liechtenstein switch, someone could call in to a less expensive(and possibly local) number in the UK, US, etc. United Mobile/Skype would profit from the charges for a Skype-In number.
2) Direct dial (callback without using Callback World,etc.) rates might be less because the long distance portion would be carried by cheaper VOIP Skype. Concern though is audio quality...VOIP connections not always the best.
3) If used with a GSM/Wifi handset, you could have cheaper WiFi VOIP when in range of a wifi site, and a single account (instead my seperate Skype and United Mobile accounts). Not sure about their free mobile telephony claim though unless it was wifi VOIP to another wifi handset.
4) Possibility of data services (GPRS, etc.) if they are going really high tech with VOIP anyway?
These are all guesses about what United Mobile might do, but hopefully they will implement some of this.

[bbob]

http://www.ukphoneinfo.com/search/Ph...s_code_79.html

link to +44-79 numbers. The 37 is listed to jersey telecom. All others fro 1-99 have other operators. Regular UK operators. So I don't see why the 37 would be a special number as 79 is also the starting code for many other mobile phone providers.

From all I have heard till now rates calling 7937 are the same as calling to any 79xx number.

http://www.eircomwholesale.ie/dynami...rch%202007.pdf

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+44-7509 is also a new range for jersey telecom

[AndreA]

Actually a +44.79 for NOT UK people is simply a number in "UE Zone".

[Przemolog]

Originally Posted by AndreA

Actually a +44.79 for NOT UK people is simply a number in "UE Zone".

Do you mean "euroroaming zone" or "zone for outgoing calls from the home country"?
You're basically right about second option, I think. As you said, the difference in pricing (if any) between UK and the crown dependencies with the +44 numbering may occur for VoIP providers. In Poland, so far I've only one VoIP provider which charges moreless twice as much calls to +4476, +4479 and 3UK than to other +44 mobiles. No mobile or landline provider distinguishes those territories.
However, with roaming the things are different. So far, 3 out of 4 operators here declared their euroroaming tariffs. Plus and Play don't mention about Channel Is/IoM so they probably consider them as parts of UK. However, Era in its roaming tariffs declared those territories explicitly as non-EU (both as origin and destination of calls).

[GadgetKen]

Based on the [United Mobile will deliver a combination of Truphone, Jajah and Skype on a "One SIM card Service"] statement and the new Jersey card that they said will have UMTS data service in 4q07, I wonder if they will have the option of VOIP calls over UMTS and if this would be cheaper than either a standard GSM callback on United Mobile or using a CBW solution?

[bbob]

Originally Posted by GadgetKen

Based on the [United Mobile will deliver a combination of Truphone, Jajah and Skype on a "One SIM card Service"] statement and the new Jersey card that they said will have UMTS data service in 4q07, I wonder if they will have the option of VOIP calls over UMTS and if this would be cheaper than either a standard GSM callback on United Mobile or using a CBW solution?

UMTS or any dataservice does not work using callback. UM can keep rates low because the use callback.

I don''t think that they will be able to offer roaming free data as data is charged per kb or mb or whatever.
When they offer is it porbably depends on the network you are using if this is blocking voip / skype, some networks do. UM will have no influence on them.

[DRNewcomb]

Originally Posted by bbob

UMTS or any dataservice does not work using callback. UM can keep rates low because the use callback.

I don''t think that they will be able to offer roaming free data as data is charged per kb or mb or whatever.

Many carrier who use callback for roaming calls (e.g. Wind) also offer prepaid roaming. This is done by having to pass your data connection back through the home APN where it can be metered.