![]() |
|
(#31)
![]() |
||
Senior Member
Prepaid Professionist
Posts: 1,399
Join Date: 15 Nov 2006
Country:
![]() |
![]() Quote:
postpaid: O2 on Business XL; prepaid: DE: Aldi Talk, Lidl; UK: 3; BG: MTel, vivacom; RU: MTS; RS: MTS; UAE: du Tourist SIM; INT'L: toggle mobile VoIP: sipgate.de (German DID); sipgate.co.uk (British DID); ukddi.com (British DID); sipcall.ch (Swiss DID); megafon.bg (Bulgarian DID); InterVoip.com |
|
|
![]() |
(#32)
![]() |
||
Senior Member
Prepaid Expert
Posts: 322
Join Date: 11 Apr 2012
Location: London
Country:
![]() |
![]() Quote:
|
|
|
![]() |
(#33)
![]() |
||
Senior Member
Prepaid Pioneer
Posts: 590
Join Date: 22 Jun 2004
Country:
![]() |
![]() Quote:
Incumbents will make it very difficult and pricey for such providers to interconnect with their networks and to operate in general. A good example is the implementation of exorbitant certification fees and longer trouble resolution for third party access customers. We're seeing this as we speak in Eastern Canada with third party IPS' sharing the incumbent's cable network (an incumbent's customer problem gets fixed in 6-24 hours while third party customers my have to wait for up to four weeks to get the same issue resolved). Mobile phones: iPhone 5, Blackberry 9900, Nexus S, Samsung S3322 duos Mobile data cards: Huawei E587u-5, Huawei E583c, Huawei E160 Postpaid SIMs: CA: Fido, Wind; INTL: Telna Prepaid SIMs: DE: Fonic, Lidl; AT: yesss!, bob; UK: O2; US: AT&T; RO: Orange, Vodafone; FR: b&you, Lycamobile; NL: Lycamobile; BE: Lycamobile, Jim Mobile; CL: Entel; MX: Telcel; INTL: eKit Blue, eKit Yellow Dead SIMs: too many to list |
|
|
![]() |
(#34)
![]() |
|
Junior Member
Amateur Member
Posts: 15
Join Date: 01 Aug 2013
Country:
![]() |
![]() The GSMA Group pleads the right to save its roaming cash cow and to continue fleecing its clients "thoroughly and comprehensively":
A European trade group reacted, saying lawmakers should focus on "increased investment in Europe's telecoms infrastructure," rather than elimination of roaming fees. Europe required a "more thorough and comprehensive approach," said Anne Bouverot, director general of the GSMA group, the Times reported. EC president supports plan to phase out roaming fees [UPDATE] - UPI.com |
|
![]() |
(#35)
![]() |
|
Senior Member
Prepaid Expert
Posts: 304
Join Date: 17 Jun 2007
Country:
![]() |
![]() Has any carrier expressed any interest in building a Pan-European network?
The EU commission said roaming fees revenues are only like 5% of total revenues? What is more likely, carriers trying to build networks in all regions or trying to come up with roaming agreements. I understand that one of the issues with having global LTE devices is that the carriers haven't sorted out the roaming fees for 4G. I guess I shouldn't be surprised that they might want a premium on 4G roaming fees but OTOH, 4G prices in the US at least aren't higher than 3G data contract prices. So they would want higher roaming fees for customers of carriers outside the EU and of course try to hang onto intra-EU roaming fees. |
|
![]() |
(#36)
![]() |
|||||
Senior Member
Prepaid Professionist
Posts: 1,399
Join Date: 15 Nov 2006
Country:
![]() |
![]() Quote:
The EU Commission - once again - is unrealistic in this regard. There's no unified legal framework and no consistent regulation for Pan-European networks but they demand such to be created by the private sector anyway. I definitely applaud such efforts, but I believe it's done wrong like most things that come from our Brussels bureaucrats. Quote:
Quote:
By this new regulation the EU will squeeze those smaller undercutting players out of the market, harm competition and foster oligopols. As a result consumers will have to pay higher prices in their home countries just for saving a few Euros during their holidays. Quote:
Also the fact that LTE networks still cannot handle voice calls (VoLTE has still not been deployed) but require a so-called circuit-switched fallback (CSFB) to GSM or UMTS makes it quite complicated to provide LTE roaming service with the required reliability. European operators indeed try to sell LTE at a premium, which will fail as hardly anyone needs double digit MBit/s in their pockets while UMTS still provides decent datarates in most of Europe. In the US things are different because price levels are higher than in Europe and American operators face a capacity bottleneck on the air interface due to high smartphone adoption rates and limited 3G frequency spectrum. So in the US LTE is more about taking off load from 2G and 3G networks while in Europe it's more about creating a premium service which they hope to sell at higher prices. postpaid: O2 on Business XL; prepaid: DE: Aldi Talk, Lidl; UK: 3; BG: MTel, vivacom; RU: MTS; RS: MTS; UAE: du Tourist SIM; INT'L: toggle mobile VoIP: sipgate.de (German DID); sipgate.co.uk (British DID); ukddi.com (British DID); sipcall.ch (Swiss DID); megafon.bg (Bulgarian DID); InterVoip.com |
||||
|
![]() |
(#37)
![]() |
||
Senior Member
Prepaid Expert
Posts: 322
Join Date: 11 Apr 2012
Location: London
Country:
![]() |
![]() That's a very useful and well-informed post, inquisitor, except that I disagree with the following:
Quote:
As you suggest, small competitive MVNOs might be unable to extend their domestic prices for roaming throughout the EEA, but they still have the option of allowing an alternative roaming provider. Giffgaff in the UK is a good example. Although Giffgaff charges £7.50 for a gigabyte in the UK, it charges a whopping £450 per gigabyte in other European countries, i.e. 60 times as much. Unlike other UK networks, Giffgaff doesn't offer any data roaming bundles. Since Giffgaff does not aim to be competitive for roaming and its domestic prices might be too low to extend for usage throughout the EEA, it might choose the original first option of allowing its customers to use an alternative roaming provider. |
|
|
![]() |
(#38)
![]() |
|
Senior Member
Prepaid Professionist
Posts: 1,399
Join Date: 15 Nov 2006
Country:
![]() |
![]() You are right. The EU plans indeed consider smaller operators who cannot offer Europe-wide single tariffs due to their limited geographical footprint. But as you and VladS have suggested above it has to be feared that the market for alternative roaming providers may suffer from discrimnation by the large multinational operators and that it may not be able to compete as long as it remains an alliance of regional underdogs.
postpaid: O2 on Business XL; prepaid: DE: Aldi Talk, Lidl; UK: 3; BG: MTel, vivacom; RU: MTS; RS: MTS; UAE: du Tourist SIM; INT'L: toggle mobile VoIP: sipgate.de (German DID); sipgate.co.uk (British DID); ukddi.com (British DID); sipcall.ch (Swiss DID); megafon.bg (Bulgarian DID); InterVoip.com |
|
![]() |
(#39)
![]() |
||
Senior Member
Prepaid Expert
Posts: 322
Join Date: 11 Apr 2012
Location: London
Country:
![]() |
![]() Quote:
This already happens to some extent. If you look at the preferred networks on any SIM card supplied by a European network, you will find one preferred network in each country as the result of commercial agreements between sister networks and even between independent networks. That's why, for example, when you roam with an O2 UK SIM card in Germany, it will always log on to O2 Germany unless there's no signal. Most modern phones don't let you see the preferred network list on the SIM, let alone edit it. However, when all the above changes are introduced, I doubt that preferred networks will come into play, because we will probably be able to use only one network in each country. For example, O2 UK will not want its customers straying on to Vodafone in Germany which would cost it more money. |
|
|
![]() |
(#40)
![]() |
|
Senior Member
Prepaid Expert
Posts: 322
Join Date: 11 Apr 2012
Location: London
Country:
![]() |
![]() There have been several reports that the UK government is opposing the European Commission's plans, mainly relating to licensing auctions (from which the UK government makes more money than other countries), but also with regard to roaming charges.
http://crave.cnet.co.uk/mobiles/brit...rges-50012383/ http://www.totaltele.com/view.aspx?ID=483485 http://www.mobileworldlive.com/repor...-telecoms-plan http://www.cbronline.com/news/tech/n...ion-ban-011013 It is disappointing that the UK government is siding with the mobile networks, who stand to lose a huge amount of unwarranted profit on intra-EEA roaming, rather than protecting its electorate from unreasonable charges. This isn't helped by the widespread British insular mentality that it's normal for everything "foreign" to cost more, whether it be outgoing/incoming bank transfers, comprehensive car insurance, credit card usage or cash withdrawals. For example, the UK government hasn't opted to include GBP in SEPA, unlike Sweden which opted to include SEK. I am often surprised by how many of my compatriots still believe there are customs controls for importing goods into the UK from other EU countries, even 20 years after such controls were abolished. While such a mentality remains, the UK will unfortunately continue to find intra-EEA roaming charges to be acceptable. |
|
![]() |
![]() |
Thread Tools | Search this Thread |
Display Modes | |
|
|