new roaming rates for german E-Plus based prepaid tariffs

NFH · 30-05-2013, 10:24

I'd be surprised if Regulation (EU) No 531/2012 wouldn't apply to small parts of the Swiss networks' coverage area. For example, are the Swiss networks responsible for providing mobile coverage in Büsingen (Germany) and Campione d'Italia? The latter is part of the Ticino +41 91 area code despite being in Italy. Given that the home networks can't distinguish between roaming in Switzerland and these small parts of the European Union, I imagine they would have to apply the price caps to all roaming on Swiss networks.

dg7feq · 30-05-2013, 14:40

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Originally Posted by NFH

I'd be surprised if Regulation (EU) No 531/2012 wouldn't apply to small parts of the Swiss networks' coverage area. For example, are the Swiss networks responsible for providing mobile coverage in Büsingen (Germany) and Campione d'Italia? The latter is part of the Ticino +41 91 area code despite being in Italy. Given that the home networks can't distinguish between roaming in Switzerland and these small parts of the European Union, I imagine they would have to apply the price caps to all roaming on Swiss networks.

in Büsingen you can get all 4 german networks, i guess in campione that would be topographically more challanging

tux · 30-05-2013, 16:03

In Campione, and part of Ticino, you can receive the Italian carriers (through overspill...)

NFH · 30-05-2013, 21:16

In both Büsingen and Campione d'Italia, it depends on whether the Swiss networks actually have transmitters there, i.e. on EU territory. If they have, then roaming there would probably be subject to Regulation (EU) No 531/2012.

dg7feq · 31-05-2013, 10:02

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Originally Posted by NFH

In both Büsingen and Campione d'Italia, it depends on whether the Swiss networks actually have transmitters there, i.e. on EU territory. If they have, then roaming there would probably be subject to Regulation (EU) No 531/2012.

even if - i doubt that any billing system of a carrier could cope with that...

NFH · 31-05-2013, 10:05

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even if - i doubt that any billing system of a carrier could cope with that...

Exactly. That's why they would have to treat all roaming on Swiss networks as subject to the price caps.

ChrisNeedsToKnow · 11-06-2013, 08:57

I guess both Campione and Büsingen are so small, that they can be covered by antennas physically in Switzerland. As such, if you use these networks, you´re still officially roaming, and tariff-wise/legally you´re in Switzerland, not Italy respectively Germany.

Just as if you´re roaming in a foreign network, just because you´re close to the border. That´s the user´s own fault.

I seem to remember that there was a lawsuit ~10 years ago where a technicaly unsavvy lady visited Rügen/Germany, and her phone logged into a Polish network. She then faced huge roaming-charges, refused to pay and sued. The court declared the charges void, as the pricelist mentioned "calls from Germany" which applied in her case. However, checking today's pricelists, most still mention "prices from Germany" and not "calls while in the German network".

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NFH (Offline) Senior Member Prepaid Expert Posts: 322 Join Date: 11 Apr 2012 Location: London Country:	30-05-2013, 10:24 I'd be surprised if Regulation (EU) No 531/2012 wouldn't apply to small parts of the Swiss networks' coverage area. For example, are the Swiss networks responsible for providing mobile coverage in Büsingen (Germany) and Campione d'Italia? The latter is part of the Ticino +41 91 area code despite being in Italy. Given that the home networks can't distinguish between roaming in Switzerland and these small parts of the European Union, I imagine they would have to apply the price caps to all roaming on Swiss networks.

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tux (Offline) Senior Member Prepaid Expert Posts: 250 Join Date: 28 Jan 2011 Country:	30-05-2013, 16:03 In Campione, and part of Ticino, you can receive the Italian carriers (through overspill...)

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NFH (Offline) Senior Member Prepaid Expert Posts: 322 Join Date: 11 Apr 2012 Location: London Country:	30-05-2013, 21:16 In both Büsingen and Campione d'Italia, it depends on whether the Swiss networks actually have transmitters there, i.e. on EU territory. If they have, then roaming there would probably be subject to Regulation (EU) No 531/2012.

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ChrisNeedsToKnow (Offline) Member Advanced Member Posts: 81 Join Date: 22 May 2013 Country:	11-06-2013, 08:57 I guess both Campione and Büsingen are so small, that they can be covered by antennas physically in Switzerland. As such, if you use these networks, you´re still officially roaming, and tariff-wise/legally you´re in Switzerland, not Italy respectively Germany. Just as if you´re roaming in a foreign network, just because you´re close to the border. That´s the user´s own fault. I seem to remember that there was a lawsuit ~10 years ago where a technicaly unsavvy lady visited Rügen/Germany, and her phone logged into a Polish network. She then faced huge roaming-charges, refused to pay and sued. The court declared the charges void, as the pricelist mentioned "calls from Germany" which applied in her case. However, checking today's pricelists, most still mention "prices from Germany" and not "calls while in the German network".