United Mobile--coming back? - Page 7

hrgajek · 18-09-2009, 22:43

Hello Racketeer,

your official letter contains a decision from September 15th, 2009 ?
Is the decision as described in http://www.gerichte.li/lg/edikte/KO%202009%20449.pdf no longer valid?

Racketeer · 21-09-2009, 10:12

Quote:

Originally Posted by hrgajek

Hello Racketeer,

your official letter contains a decision from September 15th, 2009 ?
Is the decision as described in http://www.gerichte.li/lg/edikte/KO%202009%20449.pdf no longer valid?

The letter I received contains a court order from Sept 15th, 2009. It supersedes the previous one you linked.

I have ocr'd the original scanned file. It looks rather horrible but its contents are untouched and it now matches the PDF upload limit.

bbob · 21-09-2009, 11:38

looks like their is no money even not enough money for the lawyer handling the bankrupty. If I read it correct he want to stop the process as going more into details will cost even more money and since there seems no money for him hell will not continue.

Even selling the servers will cost to much and will make to little money to even sell them.

Looks like it end here, company with no assest other than the customerbase but no mentioning of selling those. So I wonder what will happend with computers and software and customerbase. Anyone can make a small offer and hence maybe you will get the servers, software and customerbase.

snidely · 25-09-2009, 01:18

Are the computers listed as an asset? Chances are they simply leased server time. Anyway, we all know how worthless old computer technology is worth.
I am sure the top officers made a deal w. someone (surupticiously) to sell the customer list. At his point - any viable customers would have moved on long ago.

hrgajek · 09-10-2009, 11:40

Good morning,

swiss news portal 2lounge.ch shows a comment, telling, that Mobilkom of Liechtenstein has taken over the technical platform of UM 423 (United-Mobile) and wants to continue the service by themselves. The "insider" advises to keep the UM423 in a safe place or to insert it in a mobile phone.

See 2lounge Blog Archive Amtlich: United Mobile Konkurs / United Mobile bankruptcy (newer comments on top of the page) in german language.

My SIM card and the Voice Mail are still alive.

MATHA531 · 09-10-2009, 14:31

Here's the problem with that.....nobody will find these +423 cards very useful given the absurdly high termination fees almost all carriers charge for calls to +423 mobiles which is what led to the introduction of the +44 cards and ultimately probably helped grease the skid that propelled UM into the abyss it wound up in.

hrgajek · 09-10-2009, 15:13

Hello,

Do you know, if the Areacode +423-7 is also a problem for US-Long Distance Carriers or especially the +423-663 number range?

Nevertheless I agree with you. There is a problem and there are lot of competitors on the scene now, which were not be there, when UM started some years ago...

Most former UM423 Customers could have done their SIM-Cards to earth-friendly recycling in the maintime...

Time will tell

prion · 09-10-2009, 17:33

Quote:

Originally Posted by hrgajek

Hello,

Do you know, if the Areacode +423-7 is also a problem for US-Long Distance Carriers or especially the +423-663 number range?

Nevertheless I agree with you. There is a problem and there are lot of competitors on the scene now, which were not be there, when UM started some years ago...

Most former UM423 Customers could have done their SIM-Cards to earth-friendly recycling in the maintime...

Time will tell

Most carriers I have seen, do not differentiate between the two prefixes. However there are some that charge lower rates to +4237 as compared to +4236.
Carriers do not bother generally to differentiate charges to those prefixes

MATHA531 · 09-10-2009, 17:22

The vast majority of US ld providers charge rates from 70¢/minute on up for calls to +423 66... Some are as high as $1 or more....I would wager that the vast majority of former +423 holders took advantage of UM's original free replacement sim card with +44 and moved their money out relegating the +423 card worthless and even assuming if +423 arises again, most of those cards are either gone or in a drawer with little or no credit and osmehow I don't think an option will be to transfer back the credit from +44 to +423.....face it United Mobile, RIP.

bbob · 10-10-2009, 09:45

Earlier this year I tried calling my +423 number using betamax. For year betamax would not connect but than all of a sudden it would connect. Betamax rates were not that high although compared to +44 mobile it's still double.

Other carriers still seem to charge high rates and the discussion has been here serveral time. These high termination rates kill the platform and make it unusable.

In this thread there is also a reason mentioned, something to do with sex lines and other simular thing in the 423 6 number range. As that will probably not change I don't see a future for the platfrom.

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hrgajek (Offline) Senior Member Prepaid Fan Posts: 105 Join Date: 01 Oct 2007 Location: between Kaiserslautern and Heidelberg, Germany Country:	18-09-2009, 22:43 Hello Racketeer, your official letter contains a decision from September 15th, 2009 ? Is the decision as described in http://www.gerichte.li/lg/edikte/KO%202009%20449.pdf no longer valid? 73 & 55 (Regards) Henning Gajek on air with: Telekom (T-Mobile) DE - Vodafone DE - Telefonica-(o2) DE - FreeTimeTele.com (DE/UK) - Swisscom CH - Last edited by hrgajek; 18-09-2009 at 22:49..

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bbob (Offline) Senior Member Prepaid Expert Posts: 499 Join Date: 20 Feb 2007 Country:	21-09-2009, 11:38 looks like their is no money even not enough money for the lawyer handling the bankrupty. If I read it correct he want to stop the process as going more into details will cost even more money and since there seems no money for him hell will not continue. Even selling the servers will cost to much and will make to little money to even sell them. Looks like it end here, company with no assest other than the customerbase but no mentioning of selling those. So I wonder what will happend with computers and software and customerbase. Anyone can make a small offer and hence maybe you will get the servers, software and customerbase.

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snidely (Offline) Senior Member Prepaid Expert Posts: 451 Join Date: 09 May 2005 Location: Berkeley, California and Miami Country:	25-09-2009, 01:18 Are the computers listed as an asset? Chances are they simply leased server time. Anyway, we all know how worthless old computer technology is worth. I am sure the top officers made a deal w. someone (surupticiously) to sell the customer list. At his point - any viable customers would have moved on long ago. Make use of T-M's UMA/wifi free calling from any place in the world with access to wifi. I use an LG G6, wife an S7) A/o Oct 20, 2013 no need for intl prepaid as T-Mobile U.S. includes voice roaming at 20¢/min (in and out)., unlimited text (in and out), and unlimited data in 140+ countries. My Plan -[6 lines] U.S. T-Mobile unlimited minutes (incoming and outgoing), unlimited text, fast data on each line. that $145/mo. total! . (In U.S. no surcharge for calling a cell.) If a line exceeds 2G of data in a month, pay $10 more for that line. [That only happens a couple times/year.

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hrgajek (Offline) Senior Member Prepaid Fan Posts: 105 Join Date: 01 Oct 2007 Location: between Kaiserslautern and Heidelberg, Germany Country:	09-10-2009, 11:40 Good morning, swiss news portal 2lounge.ch shows a comment, telling, that Mobilkom of Liechtenstein has taken over the technical platform of UM 423 (United-Mobile) and wants to continue the service by themselves. The "insider" advises to keep the UM423 in a safe place or to insert it in a mobile phone. See 2lounge Blog Archive Amtlich: United Mobile Konkurs / United Mobile bankruptcy (newer comments on top of the page) in german language. My SIM card and the Voice Mail are still alive. 73 & 55 (Regards) Henning Gajek on air with: Telekom (T-Mobile) DE - Vodafone DE - Telefonica-(o2) DE - FreeTimeTele.com (DE/UK) - Swisscom CH -

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MATHA531 (Offline) Senior Member Prepaid Specialist Posts: 869 Join Date: 15 Oct 2004 Country:	09-10-2009, 14:31 Here's the problem with that.....nobody will find these +423 cards very useful given the absurdly high termination fees almost all carriers charge for calls to +423 mobiles which is what led to the introduction of the +44 cards and ultimately probably helped grease the skid that propelled UM into the abyss it wound up in.

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hrgajek (Offline) Senior Member Prepaid Fan Posts: 105 Join Date: 01 Oct 2007 Location: between Kaiserslautern and Heidelberg, Germany Country:	09-10-2009, 15:13 Hello, Do you know, if the Areacode +423-7 is also a problem for US-Long Distance Carriers or especially the +423-663 number range? Nevertheless I agree with you. There is a problem and there are lot of competitors on the scene now, which were not be there, when UM started some years ago... Most former UM423 Customers could have done their SIM-Cards to earth-friendly recycling in the maintime... Time will tell 73 & 55 (Regards) Henning Gajek on air with: Telekom (T-Mobile) DE - Vodafone DE - Telefonica-(o2) DE - FreeTimeTele.com (DE/UK) - Swisscom CH - Last edited by hrgajek; 09-10-2009 at 15:14.. Reason: typo

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MATHA531 (Offline) Senior Member Prepaid Specialist Posts: 869 Join Date: 15 Oct 2004 Country:	09-10-2009, 17:22 The vast majority of US ld providers charge rates from 70¢/minute on up for calls to +423 66... Some are as high as $1 or more....I would wager that the vast majority of former +423 holders took advantage of UM's original free replacement sim card with +44 and moved their money out relegating the +423 card worthless and even assuming if +423 arises again, most of those cards are either gone or in a drawer with little or no credit and osmehow I don't think an option will be to transfer back the credit from +44 to +423.....face it United Mobile, RIP.

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bbob (Offline) Senior Member Prepaid Expert Posts: 499 Join Date: 20 Feb 2007 Country:	10-10-2009, 09:45 Earlier this year I tried calling my +423 number using betamax. For year betamax would not connect but than all of a sudden it would connect. Betamax rates were not that high although compared to +44 mobile it's still double. Other carriers still seem to charge high rates and the discussion has been here serveral time. These high termination rates kill the platform and make it unusable. In this thread there is also a reason mentioned, something to do with sex lines and other simular thing in the 423 6 number range. As that will probably not change I don't see a future for the platfrom.