UK Government tried to kill Eurotariffs

andy · 29-10-2007, 13:45

Sorry I forgot to specify for cellphones. I just thought it odd that the writer was on about under 5 cents wholesale termination costs for landlines, then stepped to a position of therefore wanting roaming calls to mobiles based on similar rates. I don't know if the muddled thinking of then comparing instances from the USA was in the writer's choice of words or only my reading of it.

Going back to Vodafone and Passport, to begin with it was available only for their own networks, which isn't too surprising. I had a conversation with people at Orange a few years back (before V. Passport) and asked why couldn't they offer cheaper roaming on their other networks, as they were then catching all the revenue instead of paying to a rival. The reply was that the competition authorities would block it as unfair, the kind of doublethink that you never quite decide if you believe or not. But maybe that is why Passport now has an arrangement in all EU countries. Pity if they can't eventually reduce the connection fee, which is fine on long calls but actually more expensive on a series of calls under a minute or two.

Friends on O2 contracts have managed to be offered My Europe Extra free from the Retentions Team on renewal, but cutting the monthly fee on prepaid looks harder to do unless the competition hots up some more; maybe it needs Orange and T-mobile to wake up and produce some ideas.

Malkav · 30-10-2007, 00:19

knowing how slow the uk mobile market seems to be with regard to changing price plans etc incl roaming rates on there own initiative i don't think it will be for a while yet. However saying that with the expansion of mvno's and three's sudden interest in being a proper mobile phone company lets hope that orange and t-mobile take note and expidite matters accordingly.

Richard10002 · 03-11-2007, 20:52

"knowing how slow the uk mobile market seems to be with regard to changing price plans etc incl roaming rates on there own initiative i don't think it will be for a while yet. "

This is the way most large UK businesses work - they screw the customer and provide poor service, (through cost cutting), until forced either by legislation, or competition, to play ball - and the UK government have shown that they have no interest in assisting with legislation.

3 have been persistently innovative and havd made some incredible offers but, at least historically, their call and connection quality was poor, so inroads were difficult.

Looks like 3 are coming good, and maybe we will get some reasonable, rather than rip off, deals in the not too distant future.

Malkav · 03-11-2007, 21:45

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Originally Posted by Richard10002

"knowing how slow the uk mobile market seems to be with regard to changing price plans etc incl roaming rates on there own initiative i don't think it will be for a while yet. "

This is the way most large UK businesses work - they screw the customer and provide poor service, (through cost cutting), until forced either by legislation, or competition, to play ball - and the UK government have shown that they have no interest in assisting with legislation.

3 have been persistently innovative and havd made some incredible offers but, at least historically, their call and connection quality was poor, so inroads were difficult.

Looks like 3 are coming good, and maybe we will get some reasonable, rather than rip off, deals in the not too distant future.

you do realise....you have just jinxed yourself right now :-p

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andy (Offline) Senior Member Prepaid Prophet Posts: 2,128 Join Date: 10 Dec 2004 Country:	29-10-2007, 13:45 Sorry I forgot to specify for cellphones. I just thought it odd that the writer was on about under 5 cents wholesale termination costs for landlines, then stepped to a position of therefore wanting roaming calls to mobiles based on similar rates. I don't know if the muddled thinking of then comparing instances from the USA was in the writer's choice of words or only my reading of it. Going back to Vodafone and Passport, to begin with it was available only for their own networks, which isn't too surprising. I had a conversation with people at Orange a few years back (before V. Passport) and asked why couldn't they offer cheaper roaming on their other networks, as they were then catching all the revenue instead of paying to a rival. The reply was that the competition authorities would block it as unfair, the kind of doublethink that you never quite decide if you believe or not. But maybe that is why Passport now has an arrangement in all EU countries. Pity if they can't eventually reduce the connection fee, which is fine on long calls but actually more expensive on a series of calls under a minute or two. Friends on O2 contracts have managed to be offered My Europe Extra free from the Retentions Team on renewal, but cutting the monthly fee on prepaid looks harder to do unless the competition hots up some more; maybe it needs Orange and T-mobile to wake up and produce some ideas. Last edited by andy; 29-10-2007 at 13:58..

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Malkav (Offline) Senior Member Prepaid Expert Posts: 267 Join Date: 09 Jun 2006 Location: Malkavian University Country:	30-10-2007, 00:19 knowing how slow the uk mobile market seems to be with regard to changing price plans etc incl roaming rates on there own initiative i don't think it will be for a while yet. However saying that with the expansion of mvno's and three's sudden interest in being a proper mobile phone company lets hope that orange and t-mobile take note and expidite matters accordingly. Current networks: Orange 3g UK, 3 pay monthly, Virgin pay as you go UK, 3UK payg, Tesco payg, Asda mobile Active phones: Blackberry Torch (02), Google Nexus one (Vodafone) Inactive Sims: Oskar Czech R, BT Genie Pay as you go UK. Spare (unused phones) NEC 616, Ericsson t68/i, Nokia 3310, Sendo m550, Mototorola v66i, Motorola a1000.lg u880, Sony Ericsson t230. Orange spv m5000, Samsung z400, Motorola SLVR (Red)!, lobster tv700, spv m700, prada phone, motorola l7e, Skype phone, siemens sl65, blackberry 8810, Nokia 6500 slide X2.

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Richard10002 (Offline) Member Advanced Member Posts: 60 Join Date: 03 Oct 2006 Country:	03-11-2007, 20:52 "knowing how slow the uk mobile market seems to be with regard to changing price plans etc incl roaming rates on there own initiative i don't think it will be for a while yet. " This is the way most large UK businesses work - they screw the customer and provide poor service, (through cost cutting), until forced either by legislation, or competition, to play ball - and the UK government have shown that they have no interest in assisting with legislation. 3 have been persistently innovative and havd made some incredible offers but, at least historically, their call and connection quality was poor, so inroads were difficult. Looks like 3 are coming good, and maybe we will get some reasonable, rather than rip off, deals in the not too distant future.