Close Of Tdma And Amps In Nz

kiwisteve · 19-10-2006, 20:53

Telecom NZ have stated that the TDMA and Analogue AMPS service in NZ
will Close Down at end of MARCH 2007
this will leave just GSM and WCDMA from Vodafone and CDMA from Telecom
NZ a very sad day that will be !!

KiwiSteve

AndreA · 19-10-2006, 23:16

and the old customers?!?! They will lose numbers and contracts?

Stu · 20-10-2006, 10:36

I somehow suspect that they will try and migrate them to CDMA. I don't know whether New Zealand has number portability. NZ Telecommunications are rather strange.

Stu

kiwisteve · 31-10-2006, 19:54

AMPS and TDMA customers can just change the prefix code from 025 to 027
on the CDMA network. But they must choose the CDMA calling plans

Number Portability, Both networks don't seem to want it so it never happened .
Plus with the Plans / deals for calling on your own network only option it would be a nightmare with number portability so may it stay away !!

Triband81 · 03-11-2006, 16:59

What network standard did BellSouth have in place before the 1998 merger with Vodafone?

kiwisteve · 03-11-2006, 20:29

Network Standard ? well they really didn't have much of a network at all, very spotty coverage . But it was just the original GSM system not Amps or Tdma .
Took Vodafone ages to bring coverage up to anything like the tdma or analogue amps coverage.

Steve

KiwiSurfer · 05-11-2006, 05:35

Quote:

Originally Posted by kiwisteve

Number Portability, Both networks don't seem to want it so it never happened .
Plus with the Plans / deals for calling on your own network only option it would be a nightmare with number portability so may it stay away !!

I read in the Herald (major newspaper in NZ) that Number Porability will be established next year. I'll believe it when I see it, though!

Regards,
James

kiwisteve · 05-11-2006, 05:52

I think Number portability will just confuse the issue as we have so many ( within the same network plans / deals ) like Vodafone's motormouth PostPaid where there are 200 inc anytime voda / voda minutes .
In many cases you can swap 021 to 027 prefix anyway except the old 6digit gsm numbers will be a problem

KiwiSteve

gmmour · 12-11-2006, 23:09

Here's the trick behind the closure of Telecom's TDMA/AMPS network on 31 March 2007 (17:00 local time) and the introduction of Number Portability in New Zealand on 1 April 2007:

Everybody will be able to change their service between Vodafone NZ and Telecom NZ and keep their existing number (including the prefix 021 or 027) after April 1st 2007. The trick behind Telecom shutting down their TDMA system a few hours before MNP becomes their legal obligation is that 025 numbers (TDMA/AMPS numbers) won't fall into their MNP obligation.

What they offer now is that Telecom TDMA/AMPS users (025 users) can upgrade to CDMA (with a free Nokia 211

and, if available, they can keep their number and just change to the 027 (CDMA) prefix. But this is not enough, as one can say that a former TDMA/AMPS customer can move as easily to Vodafone and ask them for the same number with Vodafone's prefix (021), but here's Telecom's trick to keep TDMA/AMPS customers with them, first they close the network one day before MNP so they are not obliged to offer portability on 025 numbers and second they offer a free call diversion to the new 027 number, ONLY to customers who choose to stay with Telecom and not move to Vodafone!

This means that on the one hand the 025 numbers are legally considered obsolete after March 31 and so they can't be ported to Vodafone, but if the TDMA/AMPS customer chooses to opt for Telecom's upgrade-to-CDMA offer they get all their calls diverted for free to their new 027 number, i.e. the 025 numbers will still appear to be working for them, although legally it will be a "diversion" to the new number!

In my opinion this is very nasty on Telecom's behalf as it blackmails users of the old 025 network to stay with Telecom and cancels their legal right to MNP after April 1st 2007....

KiwiSurfer · 13-11-2006, 06:53

Unfourtently, this is typical Telecom tactic. I would be very surpised to see them play fair -- they try to bend the rules as much as they can so they can get a competitive advantage over the other companies. The number of times the Commerce Commission has taken Telecom to court I can't began to count, yet they still do their unethicial business practises.

It's things like this which gives me even more reasons not to do any business with Telecom, and there was a already long list of reasons not do do business with Telecom!

Regards,
James

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kiwisteve (Offline) Senior Member Prepaid Pioneer Posts: 526 Join Date: 14 Jan 2004 Location: Aotearoa / New Zealand Country:	19-10-2006, 20:53 Telecom NZ have stated that the TDMA and Analogue AMPS service in NZ will Close Down at end of MARCH 2007 this will leave just GSM and WCDMA from Vodafone and CDMA from Telecom NZ a very sad day that will be !! KiwiSteve Prepaid Sims Spark NZ, Skinny , 2 Degrees , Vodafone NZ and Australia, EE UK , Travel Sim , Plus Poland Phones: GSM: Nokia 5110 , 6110 , 6310i , UMTS - LG P970 ZTE R54 Galaxy Mini Samsung GTE3210 LTE 4G / 700Mhz Samsung J1 and J 2 LTE 4G / 1800 Vodafone 890N . Samsung Tablet CDMA: Nokia 6385 ( now dead ) TDMA / AMPS Nokia 6120 ( all dead ) SMS contact and Tests +64 20 4577475

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AndreA (Offline) Administrator Prepaid Genius Posts: 1,650 Join Date: 13 Jan 2004 Location: Florence, Italy Country:	19-10-2006, 23:16 and the old customers?!?! They will lose numbers and contracts? ANTPEAΣ AΠO THN ΦΛΩPENTIA My Phones: iPhone 2G, E65, N70, P910 DVB-H, A835, 6630, 7600, 6210, S55, T39 "Working" PrePaids: IT: Wind, H3G, Vodafone, Tim, CoopVoce, Poste Mobile, Telepass Mobile, Uno Mobile - CH: OrangeClick - RSM: Prima Easy - UK: O2, H3G - INT: United Mobile, TravelSim, ICQ SIM "Deceased" PrePaids: IT: Blu - AT: H3G - FR: Itineris - ES: Yoigo - GR: Cosmote, Frog - HR: Tele2 - UK: Virgin, Orange TO: UCall - NZ: Vodafone - IN: Hutch - CAN: Fido - USA: T-Mobile - INT: Travelfone, CallKey, Globalsim, HopMobile, GT, 09, Mobal, Yackiemobile ITALIAN TLC BLOG

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Stu (Offline) Senior Member Prepaid Guru Posts: 1,091 Join Date: 11 Feb 2004 Location: Detroit (formerly Dubai) Country:	20-10-2006, 10:36 I somehow suspect that they will try and migrate them to CDMA. I don't know whether New Zealand has number portability. NZ Telecommunications are rather strange. Stu

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kiwisteve (Offline) Senior Member Prepaid Pioneer Posts: 526 Join Date: 14 Jan 2004 Location: Aotearoa / New Zealand Country:	31-10-2006, 19:54 AMPS and TDMA customers can just change the prefix code from 025 to 027 on the CDMA network. But they must choose the CDMA calling plans Number Portability, Both networks don't seem to want it so it never happened . Plus with the Plans / deals for calling on your own network only option it would be a nightmare with number portability so may it stay away !! Prepaid Sims Spark NZ, Skinny , 2 Degrees , Vodafone NZ and Australia, EE UK , Travel Sim , Plus Poland Phones: GSM: Nokia 5110 , 6110 , 6310i , UMTS - LG P970 ZTE R54 Galaxy Mini Samsung GTE3210 LTE 4G / 700Mhz Samsung J1 and J 2 LTE 4G / 1800 Vodafone 890N . Samsung Tablet CDMA: Nokia 6385 ( now dead ) TDMA / AMPS Nokia 6120 ( all dead ) SMS contact and Tests +64 20 4577475

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Triband81 (Offline) Senior Member Prepaid Pioneer Posts: 529 Join Date: 01 Dec 2004 Location: Köln Country:	03-11-2006, 16:59 What network standard did BellSouth have in place before the 1998 merger with Vodafone?

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kiwisteve (Offline) Senior Member Prepaid Pioneer Posts: 526 Join Date: 14 Jan 2004 Location: Aotearoa / New Zealand Country:	03-11-2006, 20:29 Network Standard ? well they really didn't have much of a network at all, very spotty coverage . But it was just the original GSM system not Amps or Tdma . Took Vodafone ages to bring coverage up to anything like the tdma or analogue amps coverage. Steve Prepaid Sims Spark NZ, Skinny , 2 Degrees , Vodafone NZ and Australia, EE UK , Travel Sim , Plus Poland Phones: GSM: Nokia 5110 , 6110 , 6310i , UMTS - LG P970 ZTE R54 Galaxy Mini Samsung GTE3210 LTE 4G / 700Mhz Samsung J1 and J 2 LTE 4G / 1800 Vodafone 890N . Samsung Tablet CDMA: Nokia 6385 ( now dead ) TDMA / AMPS Nokia 6120 ( all dead ) SMS contact and Tests +64 20 4577475

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kiwisteve (Offline) Senior Member Prepaid Pioneer Posts: 526 Join Date: 14 Jan 2004 Location: Aotearoa / New Zealand Country:	05-11-2006, 05:52 I think Number portability will just confuse the issue as we have so many ( within the same network plans / deals ) like Vodafone's motormouth PostPaid where there are 200 inc anytime voda / voda minutes . In many cases you can swap 021 to 027 prefix anyway except the old 6digit gsm numbers will be a problem KiwiSteve Prepaid Sims Spark NZ, Skinny , 2 Degrees , Vodafone NZ and Australia, EE UK , Travel Sim , Plus Poland Phones: GSM: Nokia 5110 , 6110 , 6310i , UMTS - LG P970 ZTE R54 Galaxy Mini Samsung GTE3210 LTE 4G / 700Mhz Samsung J1 and J 2 LTE 4G / 1800 Vodafone 890N . Samsung Tablet CDMA: Nokia 6385 ( now dead ) TDMA / AMPS Nokia 6120 ( all dead ) SMS contact and Tests +64 20 4577475

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gmmour (Offline) Member Advanced Member Posts: 92 Join Date: 03 Oct 2006 Country:	12-11-2006, 23:09 Here's the trick behind the closure of Telecom's TDMA/AMPS network on 31 March 2007 (17:00 local time) and the introduction of Number Portability in New Zealand on 1 April 2007: Everybody will be able to change their service between Vodafone NZ and Telecom NZ and keep their existing number (including the prefix 021 or 027) after April 1st 2007. The trick behind Telecom shutting down their TDMA system a few hours before MNP becomes their legal obligation is that 025 numbers (TDMA/AMPS numbers) won't fall into their MNP obligation. What they offer now is that Telecom TDMA/AMPS users (025 users) can upgrade to CDMA (with a free Nokia 211 and, if available, they can keep their number and just change to the 027 (CDMA) prefix. But this is not enough, as one can say that a former TDMA/AMPS customer can move as easily to Vodafone and ask them for the same number with Vodafone's prefix (021), but here's Telecom's trick to keep TDMA/AMPS customers with them, first they close the network one day before MNP so they are not obliged to offer portability on 025 numbers and second they offer a free call diversion to the new 027 number, ONLY to customers who choose to stay with Telecom and not move to Vodafone! This means that on the one hand the 025 numbers are legally considered obsolete after March 31 and so they can't be ported to Vodafone, but if the TDMA/AMPS customer chooses to opt for Telecom's upgrade-to-CDMA offer they get all their calls diverted for free to their new 027 number, i.e. the 025 numbers will still appear to be working for them, although legally it will be a "diversion" to the new number! In my opinion this is very nasty on Telecom's behalf as it blackmails users of the old 025 network to stay with Telecom and cancels their legal right to MNP after April 1st 2007....

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KiwiSurfer (Offline) Junior Member Amateur Member Posts: 27 Join Date: 01 May 2004 Location: Auckland, NZ Country:	13-11-2006, 06:53 Unfourtently, this is typical Telecom tactic. I would be very surpised to see them play fair -- they try to bend the rules as much as they can so they can get a competitive advantage over the other companies. The number of times the Commerce Commission has taken Telecom to court I can't began to count, yet they still do their unethicial business practises. It's things like this which gives me even more reasons not to do any business with Telecom, and there was a already long list of reasons not do do business with Telecom! Regards, James James Pole Networks: - Vodafone NZ (GSM 900/1800 and UMTS 2100) - O2 UK (GSM 900/1800 and UMTS 2100) Phones: - Sony Ericsson K610i (GSM 900/1800/1900 and UMTS 2100) - Nokia 1100 (GSM 900/1800)