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Ukap 26-05-2006 18:08

I have United Mobile sim and will be traveling to Europe. I plan to use callbackworld for all outgoing & incoming calls. My clients have my 1800 + pin number from callbackworld which will reach me on my cell phone. I have tried it out & it works fine.

However - I see UM uses the callback system also.
UM rate - 0.39 Callback 0.14

When I dial out using callbackworld I have a 909 callback number to call, hang up and then I receive a callback & then dial any number.
How I do I know that my callback is coming from callbackworld and not UM?

snaimon 26-05-2006 18:21

When you dial your callback #, the first callback is from UM. You answer that and the allow the phone to ring once. Then you hang up. The second callback is then from CBW or your callback service. Since your first callback did not result in a completed connection, you are not charged for that. The second callback is with CBW and when your party answers, OR BEFORE, your connect time begins with CBW.

If you dial a # directly, say +49 171 123456, you are called back and when you answer, the phone @ your destination number +49 171 123456 rings. When they answer, you are connected and your are charged for the outgoing setup and per minute fees by UM.

Hope this helps.

Stan

Ukap 26-05-2006 19:15

I am messing up real bad. I am eating through my UMobile minutes while testing this thing out!! This is the 1st time I have used this.

My cell phone has a LiechtensteinUM # but I want to use a USA callback 909 number.

So from my UM cell phone I dial 01-909-xxx-xxxx. I then get my call cannot go through message & hang up the phone.

It then calls me back - who is calling me back - l UM or Callbackworld?

It then called me back a second time & I did not know which line I was using.

Any tips please......

Bossman 26-05-2006 20:14

As Snaimon posted above, The first callback is UM. As long as you have the UM sim in that phone, the first call back is always going to be from UM. When you hear the first callback(UM has called the number you were trying to reach, your 909#), you answer, you will hear it ring, then hangup (no charges yet). The next callback will be from CBW (they have called your number), you will hear it ring, once they answer, charges start with CBW.

If you make the mistake if calling your destination# first, you will receive a callback from UM only, when you answer you will hear your destination# ring, once they answer your charges with UM will start. plus the .25 euro connection charge.

Wow! testing it from here (USA) will cost you a lot since incoming calls are not free here. I used mine extensively on a recent cruise, and CBW+UM worked flawlessly!

Przemolog 26-05-2006 21:40

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ukap
So from my UM cell phone I dial 01-909-xxx-xxxx. I then get my call cannot go through message & hang up the phone.

To be precise you should dial +1909 a number in the international format...

snaimon 26-05-2006 22:36

You are eating up your minutes because inbound in NOT FREE in the US. I think the cost to receive is 99 or 79 e-cents. In most EU countries, inbound is free.

It works, believe me. Don't do any more testing while you are in the US. Don't answer any more calls HERE. Don't call voicemail here using the phone. Don't do call divert here in US using the phone.

Stan


Ukap 26-05-2006 23:18

when I am calling the USA from Greece, Turkey, Italy or UK
I dial 1 909?

I thought I had to dial the country code first & should dial 01 909 or 001 909

I will be in a European country, calling from a Liectenstein cell number to a USA number.

snaimon 26-05-2006 23:27

ON THE MOBILE PHONE....

IMO dial + 1 (for US). The + takes the place of 011 or 001. Dial +49 for calls to Germany from the mobile. This should always work from any mobile anywhere.

ONCE YOU ARE CONNECTED TO CBW, use the instructions you received. If I recall correctly, just the country code in all cases.

If you want to "practice," set up your T-MO number or landline as a callback # and practice with that # rather than the UM.

Stan

TheMadBrewer 27-05-2006 01:00

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ukap
when I am calling the USA from Greece, Turkey, Italy or UK
I dial 1 909?

I thought I had to dial the country code first & should dial 01 909 or 001 909

I will be in a European country, calling from a Liectenstein cell number to a USA number.

If you are in Europe dial 00-1-909... to call a US number. Dial 00-49-... to call a German number, etc.

I don't know what to dial in the US as I've never used my Riiing phone here :)

Przemolog 27-05-2006 12:15

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheMadBrewer
If you are in Europe dial 00-1-909... to call a US number. Dial 00-49-... to call a German number, etc.

I don't know what to dial in the US as I've never used my Riiing phone here :)

The idea of the + sign preceding the country code is that you don't have to care what is a local "exit code" for international calls: 00, 011 or whatever else. "+CountryCode" works (ot at least it should) in GSM networks for all national and international calls and SMS sending to "regular" numbers. This "standarised format" of the number is valid in "normal" roaming as well. The existence of such a common number format does not exclude using local formats. I guess that's why 00CountryCode works in UM - simply it's an "international exit code" in Liechtenstein and all the Liechtenstein-based callbacks may work with 00 just like they do with +.

TheMadBrewer 27-05-2006 15:20

I understand the theory -- I'm just trying to help a guy who seems to need a little help. The "+" is not used very much in the US and many phones don't have the key marked. You have to dig thru the manual to find out that its "hold the 0 down for a long time" or some such. "00" works with Riiing/UM and he was little unclear on that, using just "0"

Przemolog 27-05-2006 17:09

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheMadBrewer
I understand the theory -- I'm just trying to help a guy who seems to need a little help. The "+" is not used very much in the US and many phones don't have the key marked. You have to dig thru the manual to find out that its "hold the 0 down for a long time" or some such. "00" works with Riiing/UM and he was little unclear on that, using just "0"

Yes, perhaps "+" before the phone number and the whole GSM is just a European unpractical invention from the American point of view :D
However, I suppose that + preceded numbers work also in US GSM networks, right?
I'm surprised after all that "+" may not be explicitly placed on the keyboard a GSM phone:). Anyway, now it's clear to me what you advised to dial numbers preceded with "00" instead of "+". And IMHO if "00" format works in UM in Europe, it should work anywhere independently of the local formats. It's because UM itself uses callback - the destination number is transferred as a USSD code to in the number format acceptable by the FL1 network (+ and 00 both are). And the are also USSD non-prefix solutions like in case of Hop: http://www.hopmobile.com/manual4.html.

MATHA531 27-05-2006 17:14

+ works in the US on gsm networks...remembering also that in the USA and Canada, the international dialing prefix is 011 not 00...but + on gsm networks resolves that....but there is no standardization of how to dial + on various manufacturers nokia does it differently than SE then etc.

TheMadBrewer 27-05-2006 18:16

Quote:

Originally Posted by MATHA531
..but there is no standardization of how to dial + on various manufacturers nokia does it differently than SE then etc.

That was my point -- you expressed it better then I. The first time somebody told me to press the + key I was confused -- I had 0-9, *, # but no + :help:

Bossman 28-05-2006 01:59

I am always of the opinion that all numbers on a GSM phone should be stored with the + sign. Makes life easier when one is travelling internationally. I did exactly that on both of my GSM phone. The manuals that came with the phones even suggested that.

It's also true that the CDMA phones do not understand or even allow the + sign to be included as part of a phone number. My CDMA phone is fairly recent and does not have the + sign on the keypad.

Ukap 29-05-2006 19:35

So I stop messing around with my phone. Now I am in Rome. My UM sim card is not working. No Service message. I need to make and receive calls. What do I do? I had given this number out for business and friends. It was working fine in the USA. Nokia, properly unlocked.
Please send your advice and tips quickly.

snaimon 29-05-2006 19:51

See if you can manually select a different network. Keep trying. Your phone MAY be stuck on 1900, which does not work in Europe. My old P280 required me to switch to 900/1800 in Europe.

There is always the landline number for customer service or email to them. You seem to have internet access.

Stan

Ukap 29-05-2006 20:04

I am in the hotel lounge but I am going to be traveling alot. I can use this internet for a couple of days.

I have the Nokia 6800 - it is supposed to work in Europe.
Under connectivity I can chose - infrared-GPRS or synchronization.

Is that anything to do with it?

snaimon 29-05-2006 20:07

Don't have the 6800. How about NETWORKS or CALL SETUP? Do you have a manual? I can check to see if I can download one.

snaimon 29-05-2006 20:11

Menu
Settings
Phone Settings
Network selection
(they say automatic, but you might try manual)

snaimon 29-05-2006 20:16

I am somewhat confused. The manual says this phone is 900 and 1800. I am asking myself how you could have used this phone in the US? US only has 850 and 1900. PERSONALLY, I don't think you have the 6800 but a counterfeit. If you can't find any networks in the manual network selection, then I think that means the receiver for those frequencies is not working or does not exist.

Good luck.

Stan

snaimon 29-05-2006 20:27

OK. 2nd try. There are 2 versions of the 6800, one for N America and one for Asia/Europe. I FIRST downloaded the manual for the Asia/Europe version.

The North American phone is a dual band, 850/1900. That will not work in Europe. Sorry. I think you'll have to buy yourself an unlocked phone there.

Stan

snaimon 29-05-2006 20:29

From a 6800 on sale on Ebay:

NOKIA 6800 GSM Phone.

This phone Can be used with any GSM service provider such as: Cingular, T-Mobile, AT&T, and ALL OTHER GSM networks around the world which support 850/1900 Mhz.

.........................



MATHA531 29-05-2006 23:25

This is an ongoing problem with nokia phones...they use the same model number for their world phones and the phones they cripple to make cingular happy and give them 850 service at the expense of 900 service...they make dual bands with 850/1900 for use in North America and 900/1800 for use in the rest of the civilized and uncivilized world.

No matter...luckily op is in Italy...attention op go into any mobile phone store and ask for an unlocked dual band phone...they sell them in Italy for around ?30...you will see the UM sim will work perfectly.

Sorry you had this trouble but it is a by product of the inability, probably for good reasons, of the USA to standardize with the rest of the gsm world 15 years ago.

snaimon 30-05-2006 00:29

Quote:

Originally Posted by MATHA531
Sorry you had this trouble but it is a by product of the inability, probably for good reasons, of the USA to standardize with the rest of the gsm world 15 years ago.

OT but perhaps most appropriate..........

Age of earth ~= 6000 years as taught in our indigenous CREATIONIST US schools and texts, inches instead of meters, driving on the RIGHT side of the road instead of the LEFT (GB, AU are probably the few SANE ones left), and now W's pullout from Kyoto, disdain for world court, insistence that global warming is NOT happening, rendering, Club "Git," W's go-it-alone preemptive wars, flouting the US constitution.....

Well, need I say MORE? You really expected the US to conform to world GSM standards? Let alone other international standards of behavioUr and etiquette?

Dream on!

Stan

PS. Will the world ever forgive us for our many sins?

Ukap 30-05-2006 19:27

Stan - bought a phone here in Italy...thank you for your help. It works perfectly!!
Why is the USA so behind the times in cell phones & cars!!!


MATHA531 30-05-2006 19:56

Let me start out by saying I'm not a technologically blessed person but just an end user who has acquired some knowledge by participating in this forum.

This business of the USA being "behind"; I brought up a while ago. Some have answered me something to the effect that while the USA participated in the decision to make gsm and the 900 frequency the prime mobile standards, they found that a lot of communications stuff was already on 900 and it would have been very expensive to change....nobody at the time dreamt of such things as everybody walking around with a mobile phone, international roaming and stuff like that. And the decision to use 800 as the auxilliary frequency (which is 850) for gsm carriers in the US was due to the fact that cingular already had licenses to operate on that frequency so that was that....it has become very nasty in terms of getting a hold of tri band phones that use 900/1800/1900. For a while T Mobile US carried such phones but now that 850 carriers exist in the USA and they roam on some of them, all their tri bands are the useless for European travel 850/1800/1900...I am most partial to Nokia phones, people tell me Moto phones suck so it is a problem for me to upgrade my phones.

Now as far as other things, other than driving on the left, the only reason the US doesn't want to join the 21st century is that there are a lot of dumb people in the USA who claim how much they would hate to have to standardize with the rest of the world...after all they know how long an inch is, imagine having to learn about cm. And the celsius thermometer, forget it; even though it makes much more sense. What do these people do when they turn on the telly say in the UK and hear the weather forecast for the morning says the high will be 10 degrees; some of them start looking for their winter coats (don't laught, I've seen it happen)...

Unfortunately not in our life time will the US join the rest of the world in these unmportant matters; so imagine they won't be joining so in things that do matter such as global warming.

Unfortunate but true.

terra 31-05-2006 20:31

Hi, this is my first time traveling abroad, and i would like to find out how does the setup fee with united mobile works when i use call back service, will I be charged it, or do they only charge for complited calls. :help:

Thanks.

TheMadBrewer 31-05-2006 20:36

Quote:

Originally Posted by terra
Hi, this is my first time traveling abroad, and i would like to find out how does the setup fee with united mobile works when i use call back service, will I be charged it, or do they only charge for complited calls.

It is only for completed calls. If properly used you won't use any call time with UM (assuming you are in a free incoming calls country).

terra 01-06-2006 00:01

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheMadBrewer
It is only for completed calls. If properly used you won't use any call time with UM (assuming you are in a free incoming calls country).

is their a time limit for how many rings before they start charging.

Bossman 01-06-2006 01:14

Quote:

Originally Posted by terra
is their a time limit for how many rings before they start charging.

UM only charges for completed calls (the other party answers). As posted above, if you are using UM + CBW and you are in a country where incoming calls on UM are free, you will not get charged by UM at all.


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