I will split the thread when I get home or in the morning

Probably first minute and then every 20 S, or the same, 30 secondes and 20 secondes

As usualy we have some good questions here...

We have a legal issue to be fixed before to say YES or not...

Ok, posts moved from the original thread (creating the perfect sim) into this new one.

Yackie, next time use your own thread to talk about your sim, ok?


ps: sorry andy :P

So if you have legal issues to be fixed this would mean that nothing in final yet ? Launch date is not final ?

So if nothing is final it's a bit premature to say you have the lowest rates.

What is the country Code for the Sim Card ???

no problem - my post was from the ferry, then I didn't get home until 3 am, then went out at 8 ...

but actually I was also intending to merge it, as the coming soon discussion is still the same

if you read correctly my answer, and i'm sure you did, you can see that i answered about the DID presentation for the ID caller, and this have some legal issue who need to be fixed before to SAY yes we can use any DID as ID caller.......

I did not read it in the because you answers where in the text where you quoted me, and normally I don't read my own quotes. Please use the quotes in the correct way so the answers are visable and clear to everyone.

So from what I can read in your answer.

SMS has to go direct to the number connected to the sim it's can't go to a did connected to the sim. This means the sim does have a number as you need this number to sent sms. You can't call the sim direct this has to go through a DID number.

So your answer above is not correct the sim can't be called directly it can only go through a did.

You mean your system does not allow this. These days in europe many phone companies do allow sending sms to a local not cellphone number. You will than receive a call and the message is read to you. So technically it should be possible to forward a sms to a fixed line to an mobile number. It won't be easy but it should be possible.

It's nice how you try to market this. But it's plain an simple forwarding. If you have say a spanish DID number and your sim is say based poland (you haven't told us the country yet) Than someone calls the spanish number and this call will go to spain and has to find it's way to the home country of the sim. For me this is forwarding and forwarding will cost money. You just don't call it forwarding but you have to pay for an incoming call. This is the same you have to pay for it.

If I have a spanish did and forward this to my uk mobile using voicetrading I also have to pay 8 cents per minute for the forwarding and yes I can also call this 8 cents for incoming calls.

So the big question here is how much will you charge for incoming calls. Your statement was that it's the lowest price in the market, so tell us the rate and than we will know if this is cheap or just another marketing statement.

Let me make a guess it's won't be as cheap as doing your own forwarding and because of this you are not calling this forwarding but just incoming call costs.

I do like did's being linked to a sim and forward the call to the sim.
I don't like not being able to call the sim directly, but I asume you would like to prevent direct calling as this undermines your business 'model.
I don't like having a seperate number for sms. This means you have to give away 2 numbers to friends, customers 1 for sms 1 for calling. This is not practical.

So far it seems that you have not solved caller id because of legal issues. Calls need to have some sort of caller id as some people just don't answer an anounymous call these days. You can't use the caller id for the sim as the sim can't be called directly. Leaves the option of using the number of 1 of you did's as caller id.

Don't know if this really is an issue. Betamax makes it possible through voip. You can use a caller id of any mobile or fixed phone that you have verified with them. Meaning you control this phone. Voicetrading even lets me use any caller id I want

So this is the big question which country ? Belgium like maxraom maybe?

As for surtaxed, again some companies do surtax the isle of man and jersey numbers others don't.

My biggest problem is not being able to call the sim directly. It's nice to have did being forwared to the sim but what happens in 1/2 year or 1 year when you have to change platforms again. We have seen so many switches and problems these days that it looks like we have to changes almost every year.
But maybe you can tell us for example that when your sim stops working for whatever reasons the did numbers (voip I asume) can still be reached and that customers are able to forward these did to another sim maybe a competitor and that you just charge x cents per minute for doing this forward.

Look at it this way, if you were to offer that service I think many users here would be interested in having a did number and forward that to their isle of man, jersey or estonian based sim. Using pbxes and voip you can do this yourself but it's to complex for most users.

even more easy: Most landline phones here can send and receive SMS like on the cellphone and display them as text. You can also send SMS from most payphones...

Chris

Let me correst some infos

You can call directly the sim
- To his Home number
- To his DID

The SIM have his Home number for receiving the SMS
I will double check with the Technical team IF we can also use the DID for forwarding the SMS......

The SIM home number IS not belgium etc etc, and is not a SIM from one existing provider

It's our plateform
It's our SIM profile and you will understand why when we will release the product
We handle 99% of the cake, we just use one of the Major network availlable today

FOr the ID caller presentation, we just need to fix some issue and it will be possible to select between the home number and the DID which one you want to use

Incoming should be for most of the destination charged between 5 and 10 EUro cts, and also per 20 secondes increments

Any questions........feel free

Dear Yackie,

I have a question for you.

I would have assumed that you would be providing +44 numbers as i believe that you signed a legal contract to do so. Please feel free to correct me if i am incorrect.

Regards

John

it is not a UK 44 number

Not Isle of man, not belgium....and not eastern country

You will know end of august, i just can say that i check on the skype rates and it's charge 2 cts for land line and 27 for mobile

Dear Yackie,

H'mmm,

Nice way of avoiding my question. We will leave it there, for now!

Regards

John

Why is it a secret as to which country they use? At least say if it's an EU country?

27 cents is not a very low rate.

Another question.

You can call the sim direct or through a did.
You charge incoming calls.

Are the incoming calls charged the same for calling the sim direct or through a did or do you have a lower rate for calling the sim direct.

Skype - call costs and rates
As for the skyperate 2 cents fixed 27 cent mobiel. Skype has only sweden at 2 cents and mobile sweden at 27.3 cents

So does Portugal and Estonia (both @ 0.02/0.26x)

Estonia does offer a solution but yackie claimed no easter europe country which estonia would be.

Would leave sweden en portugal when we rely on the skype rates.

Same incoming cost , Direct to the SIM or direct to the DID doesnt avoid or change to pay the terminaison cost for reaching the SIM

Yes European.....

As Yackie apparently cannot be arsed to update its own website for over 6 months, I don't see why people keep naively wasting their breath asking on here

Andy.......why undating 2 months in advance......

but as you can see on our website we allready start to put some infos......

Yackie, by VoIP you mean that subscribers will also have a SIP URI where we can forward our existing DIDs ourselves or set the card up as a VoIP extension in our VoIP PBX systems?

5-10 eurocents in most destinations is reasonable (especially if in EU-countries it will be closer to 5 than to 10..:-), billing increments is way better than the 60 seconds most providers charge, but still far from the 1 second increments I find just :-)

It's not up to me to set your company's ethics, but for several months your website still promoted sale of your old product without any mention that it no longer worked, while you have been promoting something on here that you do not yet sell, quite often accompanied by your customary snipes at rival products

In this very dynamic market that is conttantly changing, any delays in releasing a product can be costly. As Andy mentioned, and as I and others have mentioned, your website was never updated in about 6 months or so that your service has been out. And, not you are talking about your sim that is going to be released at least a month from now. By which time things would have changed some more. Only time will tell....

Yackie Telecom
 

Hello fellas

We have received the first batch for testing and debug today......

We will keep you posted, and as soon as the card can be released.....you will have one

Have a great day

Any more info on the country of the sim? Is it Sweden?

What about replacing cards, I still have one of your old card, will I receive a replacement ?

Yes Bob......absolutly

and it's not sweden.......

So this date has come and gone! I take it the SIM that is on offer on the website at the moment is the one that has been "released" on August 24th?

00354 Iceland number! What's new?

The offer on their website still refers to the old stuff. Can't believe they did not even update their website one bit since that offer has not been valid in several months. It will certanly be totally misleading to new customers.

That lack of effort by Yackie is one of the reasons why I cant be arsed to take any notice of his diktats to edit the thread title, together with his customary abusive attacks on rivals and erstwhile partners

thank you andy for your fair support, but we both know that even our product will be a good product you will continu your effort to try to destroy it....be sure you will not get a new sim yourself for testing purpose.....

I set yet again: I am in no way connected with any of your rivals, and nor is this forum a mouthpiece of any of them, nor for your company.

As for the availability of your SIM card, and in reply to your comments about the thread title - the thread was started by someone else here as a direct result of you sending your users an email. In January.

Even though you apparently dislike the way the thread is going, the users here have freedom of speech when commenting on the products they find and use, without any editorial influence from any of the forum admin or moderators. So nobody is obliged to comply with your demands that it be censored or otherwise edited. And we aren't obliged to have a new thread every time you want to say the same thing again. Nor remove people's observations you might have updated your website by now.

Clearly there are some things you and I will never agree on, However, in future as in the past, you don't have a right to publicly attack other companies, and any such posts will be edited to remove their names. I wish you could realise that this does not constitute personal bias by me against you, as it applies to all.

So do me a favor, as 09 mobile is not and was never linked legaly to our Company, which is Yackie Telecom Inc, a fully sudsidiary of PayMotech SA, a publicly traded company, we will appreciate to have them removed from this post ' title.

keep Yackie mobile and remove ( and 09 )

Thank you

The very first post in the thread quotes an email from you to your customers, in which you clearly name 09 Mobile as a partner.

And your website has for months shown you promoting details of a SIM with an Iceland mobile number.

So even if this thread title were altered, or a new thread started, it is quite likely the content and context of the first and some of the other posts would identify Iceland and 09 Mobile again, unless many posts were altered, and why should we censor what users view as historical or current facts?

So, unfortunately for you, I decline to comply with your attempts at revisionism about the initial post or any other on this thread.

It seems like yackiemobile has chosen to selectively respond to questions. And tend to just want to promote their supposedly new sim, and totally avoid questons specific to your website or sim card.

In this very dynamic market with a lot of providers and ever shrinking customer base (due to lower roaming costs in most of the EU), you guys need to act and move quickly before it's too late.

To a relative outsider I am extremely confused. Perhaps I will attempt to ask Yackie some simple questions:

1. Has your new product been released on time as promised?
2. Are there any details of the new service? Is the website information up to date on this matter?
3. Do the displayed rates refer to the new service?

Lastly, but importantly, Why the constant paranoid fear of being associated here on prepaidgsm with an Icelandic telephone provider, when even your website clearly portrays that your SIM utilises a 00354 numbering range? Is there any potential problem with your new supplier that you do not want customers to be aware of?

I think answering the above questions (and others that have been asked before) will be critical if you still want to gain an ounce of credibility, and the prospect of gaining any new customers who are doing some research and will inevitably bump across this thread. It will naturally be clear to them that your company does indeed monitor this thread.

I notice Yackie has been on to the forum and answered other threads but has been unable to answer these questions.

Any updates?

Has anyone found a disclosure on Yackies web site or in their terms of service that says they can charge for unanswered or canceled calls once the ring back is triggered?