xxsim & airbalticcard are resellers of travelsim. airbalticcard is far better than xxsim service.


concerning camelmobile you're right, their website isn't up to date.
you can contact them on tk@camelmobile.com , their reply is always very fast. for tech.support: support@camelmobile.com
their telephone technical support (24hours daily) is free from everywhere in the world when calling from a camelmobile phone.
i get their status/news by email as being a customer of them.
their pricelist stating per second billing within EU countries is here: http://www.camelmobile.com/assets/fi...v/rategprs.pdf

their simcards cost 10euro plus shipping. minimum topup 5euro. (xxsim minimum topup 20 euro)

just came back from Turkey & Bulgaria, camelmobile worked just perfect, not even a single bug was found.
direct calling in Bulgaria was a very useful, pleasant and convinient service.

also their cell-id (phone's location tracking) is free. estonian number simcards like xxsim or airbalticard charge 1eur.per month for this service.
also their simcard has unlimited validity of the simcard and the credit in the simcard, never expire. (not like ekit,onesimcard, maxroam, xxsim etc where their simcards expire after 1 year...or even 6months some simcards).
Their voip+sip account, and application (if needed) free of charge is also very good, sharing the same balance with the simcard (very cheap+competitive rates when sip calling is used).
You also have the option to order a simcard with 2 different billing currencies, either euro or usd billing.
VERY USEFUL: «Number preservation» service.
With this service ensures that while making outgoing calls, the person you are calling will see your local/normal number displayed. (not the camelmobile number)
Finally the «Call me back» service
If your SIM-card is out of balance, you can send message to any user of any mobile operator asking him to call you back, using the service «Call me back».
The service is provided free of charge and doesn’t require any additional set up.

if you also like you can subscribe to the special voice bundle that includes all EU countries (also Russia), that you get:

the first minute of outgoing call is charged according to standard rate
outgoing calls starting from 2nd minute – 0,185 EUR/min;
Bonus for incoming calls starting from 3rd minute – 0,02 EUR/min. credited daily.
The bundle is valid for 180 calendar days from the moment of activation.
Activation of bundle does not change any other rates, charging is per second within EU countries.
Cost of bundle: 2,50 EUR. charged once on activation

*calling from a camelmobile to another camelmobile number costs 0.18eur. (30+1 sec billing)
Also camelmobile recently launched new reduced rates for SMS sent via USSD (sim menu toolkit) which are now charged 0,08eur./sms from all countries sent to everywhere in the world!
i use a voip provider with 0.10eur/.min. (incl. vat) for calling camelmobile numbers +37122.


concerning travelsim here is the link: http://new.travelsim.com/
their pricelist can be found here: http://new.travelsim.com/uploads/153...1.98890293.pdf

After many tests and experience earned all these years using various travel simcards, I personaly use 2 simcards when abroad, camemobile & piranhamobile simcards.
In our company we use camelmobile simcards for our sales dept. traveling abroad.


if piranha simcards had per second billing with existing rates within EU and cheaper local numbers (not like 4.25pounds per month for eg Greek numbers) i would definately use their simcard more and we might switch our business simcards to piranha ones too.
they (piranha) also charge per 100kb increment in data roaming..despite 10kb of camemobile or 1kb of travelsim.
i have inform piranha about these 3 disadvantages of their simcards, but they have not fix them yet.

Russia: incoming calls free of charge and outing call 0.39€
China: outing 0.50€ incoming free
Canada: incoming calls free, outing call 0.39€
India: outing 0.69€ incoming is free
USA (at&t,t-mob.): incoming call is free and outing 0.39€

Xxsim to Xxsim 0.19€
Skype to Xxsim 0.15€

without any interference on the line

Thanks Xxsim :)

Did you know that... Incoming calls are now FREE in 134 countries and Did you know that XXSIM offers voicemail service that handles incoming calls when you are unavailable or busy!

You can buy an XXSIM from here : https://xxsim.com/en/xxsim/simCard.html?menu_id=14

Xxsim: 134 countries with free incoming calls

Albania , Andorra , Angola , Argentina , Armenia , Aruba , Australia , Austria , Azerbaijan , Bahrain , Belarus , Belgium , Benin , Bermuda , Bosnia and Herzegovina , Bulgaria , Burundi , Canada, Cape Verde , Central African Republic , Chad , Chile , China , Congo , Costa Rica , Croatia , Cyprus , Czech Republic , Denmark , Egypt , Equatorial Guinea , Estonia , Faroe Islands , Fiji , Finland , France , French Guiana , Georgia , Germany , Ghana , Gibraltar , Greece , Guadeloupe , Guyana , Honduras , Hong Kong , Hungary , Iceland , India , Iran , Ireland , Israel , Italy , Japan , Jordan , Kazakstan , Kenya , Korea - South , Kosovo , Kuwait , Kyrgyzstan , Latvia , Lebanon , Lesotho , Liberia , Liechtenstein , Lithuania , Luxembourg , Macedonia , Malawi , Malaysia , Mali , Malta , Martinique , Mayotte , Moldova , Monaco , Mongolia , Montenegro , Mexico, Namibia , Netherlands , Netherlands Antilles , New Zealand , Niger , Nigeria , Norway , Oman , Palestina , Paraguay , Poland , Portugal , Qatar , Reunion , Romania , Russian Federation , San Marino , Saudi Arabia , Serbia , Singapore , Slovakia , Slovenia , South Africa , Spain , Sri Lanka , Sudan , Sweden , Switzerland , Syrian Arab Republic , Taiwan , Tanzania , Thailand , Turkey , Uganda , Ukraine , United Arab Emirates , United Kingdom , Uruguay , Uzbekistan , USA, Vatican City , Venezuela , Vietnam , Yemen , Zambia , Zimbabwe, ...

EU to EU only 0.19€ all network and incoming call is free! SMS, 0.09€

www.xxsim.com

xxsim is not recommended. If you intend to use an estonia +372 number you better choose airbalticcard with per second billing within european union and free+friendly customer support.

Did you know that you can use Xxsim calling from 0800?

From the below countries, it's possible to call any XXSIM for free, using a toll free phone#. No matter where the XXSIM is located. When receiving a toll free call, EUR0.15/minute will be charged from the XXSIM balance, and the caller ID will be prefixed by 999. Example: A caller from the USA calls a mobile located in the United Arab Emirates, he dials the toll free phone# in the USA, then he composes the phone# of the XXSIM and the entire communications only costs EUR0.15/minute. List of toll free phone#:

List of toll free phone #

Australia: 1800424087 or 1800426571
Austria: 0800295331
Brazil: 08000385084
Canada: 18889354312
Cyprus: 80096439
France: 0800918762
Germany: 08001824205
Greece: 0080016122057807
Hong-Kong: 800967359
Israel: 1809246071
Mexico City: 525547772326
New Zealand: 0800449302
Russia: 81080028741012
Spain: 900967051
Switzerland: 0800802452
USA: 18889354312

Or from SKYPE 003728005xxxxxxx

:rolleyes: :D

Hi All, Just come back from a business trip , Belgium, USA and Canada, I normally use the Piranha Sim. Thought I would give the XxSim a go, for the free roaming etc, big mistake, when I returned I found I had a BT bill to pay, over £100.00, and that was on the friends and family tariff ( if i was not on this tariff the cost would have been closer to £300.00, lucky I did) BT cheap international phone calls & International calling plans. I checked with BT to see if this was correct, which it was, if I had used my normal choice the cost would have been closer to £30.00 in total. I am now waiting for my wife’s mobile bill, I have been told that the calls to the XxSim number are £1.00 per minute, fortunately she only used it a couple of times when calling my XxSim number, if I had used my Piranha she could have called my UK number within her contracted bundled minutes. More fool me, never again. Word of warning, USERS BEWARE!!!!

Do not understand what this has to do with roaming?

You had Xxsim option to choose the number of U.S. landline gratis, and you will be available from UK for 1p or gratis!

users be aware with xxsim and other estonian +372 like travelsim simcards.. even when you receive calls via their local numbers you pay 0.15eur. per minute... with per minute rounding!

you better choose piranhamobile simcard which offers +44 and +1 numbers for free and without additional charge when receiving calls via these numbers...plus their +44 number is a normal UK mobile nnumber, not a high termination number.

but if you insist using estonian based simcards you better avoid xxsim and choose airbalticcard which offers per second billing within EU countries. xxsim & airbalticcard are resellers of travelsim product. airbalticcard is far better than xxsim service. xxsim is NOT recommendable.

gkeeper i had advised/warned you 2weeks ago about xxsim.. my current recommendations are piranhamobile and camelmobile simcards.

Too true, unfortunately I had to find out the hard way, just thought I would give this free roaming XxSim a try and to my cost I found it free for receiving but very expensive when I received my calling bill, as the saying goes "there is no free lunches" and if its sounds to good to be true it normally is".::(

Yes second Billing :roll:

http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/1118/1354494910508.jpg

All incoming calls to the U.S. Pirana Mobile number is Not free!
They are very different prices

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In future write as it appears on their site!

sorry to say that, but you should never use any foreign SIM card without checking the rates with your provider upfront. Thats why i set up a different calling route for the XXSim in our phone switchboard which gets the cost down from 39ct/min (from our regular provider) to about 18ct/min on a different VoIP carrier...

airbaltic card charge per second 30+1for EU calls according to EU regulations, they are based in EU. (xxsim is based outside EU in Switzerland!..)
.i have tested my airbaltic simcard so i can confirm they charge per second! as their "mother" company travelsim do too.


piranha charges per minute but has cheaper rates than xxsim!

EUSTAR don't be in panic with XXSIM..you look like you're an employee of them...

Do either +372 operators offer VoIP integration?

+371 operators like xxsim, airbaltic and travelsim no they don't offer.
piranhamobile and camelmobile they do offer.

i did that self made. my PBX at home is configured to forward calls to my XX as long as my SIP is not registered (from any betamax). So if i am online on VoIP the Voip rings, otherwise the XXSim. Outgoing on SIP go to the normal betamax/finera rates...

:thumbup:


:rotfl:

Sorry, your conduct indicates that you have a psychological problem and does not understand that when you write in such behavior?

Do you read yourself and what you wrote it?

Hi sorry, but I think you are missing the point of Fsotirops posts. What he is saying, is that it is very expensive for the caller to ring an Xxsim +372 number and there is a premium of 15 Euro cents to call the US number on top of any incoming call costs, so when roaming in the EU it costs 15 Euro cents to receive a call on US number, compared to the much cheaper rates of the other cards he has mentioned and calling the +372 can be very expensive, in my case up to £1.00 plus per minute to call if you do not have bolt on extras, therefore free roaming or not the XxSim works out much more expensive than the others cards, in some cases 3 to 4 times more expensive. Fsotirop please correct me if I am missing something here.

you're just right gkeeper. have a look also here: http://www.piranha-mobile.com/roaming.pdf to fully understand how estonian based simcards like xxsim make profit.
it seems that user:EUSTAR promotes xxsim product so he doesn't want to realize the disadvantages of xxsim..compared to other international simcards

That's an approach, however I'm looking for something a bit more reliable and with proper CID delivery (Betamax retail and wholesale clones are the worst when it comes to CID delivery, even on premium routes). Xxsim already have a Skype route, why not add a SIP one too?!

I do have a couple of Skype for Asterisk channels on my Asterisk box, but call supervision is iffy.

they won't add a sip one because it isn't profitable.. xxsim is a reseller of travelsim ( http://new.travelsim.com ) , travelsim has NOT invested to voip and they won't do it in the future either.. because actually their main goal is to have revenues only from high termination rates. currently 0.15eur. per minute.....

for voip intergration you better use piranhamobile or camelmobile, used them both and worked just perfect. camelmobile's voip has perfect call quality (almost as a pstn line) but piranha's quality is also quite good.


*have a look also here: http://www.piranha-mobile.com/roaming.pdf to fully understand how estonian based simcards like xxsim make profit from their customers.

you're right, most xxsim customers realize the trick with estonian based simcards after they return home..and check their telephone bill!

in our company's tel.switchbord we now redirect calls to our employees abroad with 0.12 eurocents/min to camelmobile numbers (+3712), a new voip provider offers now this excellent rate, actually reduced the rate to these numbers, previously was at 0.18eurocents

I don't look at Travelsim products as being targeted strictly to the euro traveler. There are plenty of high cost destinations such as Chile and Argentina currently 'free' on both xxsim, Travelsim and their clones. Even with a EUR0.15 VoIP termination fee, you're still a whole lot cheaper than other providers.

My goal is not to minimize cost but to reduce cost while maintaining reliability.

you can then have a look to camelmobile..they offer free calls to 125 countries ( http://www.camelmobile.com/assets/fi...v/rategprs.pdf ), they offer sip and now there is a voip provider offering 0.12eurocents to their +3712 numbers.
*their sip call quality is just excellent. they use Vodafone's roaming agreements ( http://bugs.sertexsoft.com/wiki/doku...aming_partners) and infrastructure.
now there is even the possibility to make direct calls when roaming on vodafone networks! no more callback..

the only real disadvantage is that they don't offer incoming free calls to Canada.
forgot to mention that as of 15-October-2012 sms sent via USSD (sim menu toolkit) are now charged for just 0,08eur./sms from all countries sent to everywhere in the world! huge savings with this.
because i see you reside in Canada, camelmobile also offres the option to choose between 2 billing currencies... either euro or usd.

i can confirm about their reliability, we have 50+simcards to our business for our truckers+sales personnel abroad.

I did check CamelMobile out out, in face I just got off the phone with their customer service. While they have a SIP client, you can't directly route calls to their switch over IP so a user is stuck with PSTN interconnects.

i think you better recheck directly with their support team (support@camelmobile.com) , i'm sure in our office we have sip not pstn integration with their numbers...

Please moderate your language. No offensive speech is allowed on this forum.
Thanks.

and what is the provider offering camel numbers at 0.12?

Camel's Tehnical Support Manager confirmed they do not support a PSTN bypass over SIP 'receiver pays' model.

very strange, i have just email them too because i just confirmed with our IT manager that our connection with them is over sip. i will let you know

sent you a private message

As written before the choose of the SIM cards always depends on the field of usage.
For UK customers for sure the +44 cards are the best.
In my case many of my collegues call on my card from their german mobile. The rate to EU mobiles from our contract is 29ct/min. So it doesnt matter if +44 or +372, both are in the EU zone (whereas latvia +371 would be in the world zone with 99ct/min in our case).
Of course for other people this can look very different...

Wel if you are EU based the roaming sims are becoming less attractive anyhow.

Incoming calls to an eu mobile are limited to 10 cents.
Calling an eu mobile number using voicetrading is typically around 3-4 eurocents so total cost around 14 eurocent.
Alternative is to forward your calls to a uk mobile roaming sim at 15 cents or estonian number even more.

For me this means roaming free sims are only attractive when outside the EU. if you are inside the EU the are becoming less attractive.

sure, inside EU we use our T-Mobiles as we have 2400 minutes of roaming included in our rate plan. but outside EU they pay off very quickly

To repeat extra :D


Xxsim: 134 countries with free incoming calls on +372

Albania , Andorra , Angola , Argentina , Armenia , Aruba , Australia , Austria , Azerbaijan , Bahrain , Belarus , Belgium , Benin , Bermuda , Bosnia and Herzegovina , Bulgaria , Burundi , Canada, Cape Verde , Central African Republic , Chad , Chile , China , Congo , Costa Rica , Croatia , Cyprus , Czech Republic , Denmark , Egypt , Equatorial Guinea , Estonia , Faroe Islands , Fiji , Finland , France , French Guiana , Georgia , Germany , Ghana , Gibraltar , Greece , Guadeloupe , Guyana , Honduras , Hong Kong , Hungary , Iceland , India , Iran , Ireland , Israel , Italy , Japan , Jordan , Kazakstan , Kenya , Korea - South , Kosovo , Kuwait , Kyrgyzstan , Latvia , Lebanon , Lesotho , Liberia , Liechtenstein , Lithuania , Luxembourg , Macedonia , Malawi , Malaysia , Mali , Malta , Martinique , Mayotte , Moldova , Monaco , Mongolia , Montenegro , Mexico, Namibia , Netherlands , Netherlands Antilles , New Zealand , Niger , Nigeria , Norway , Oman , Palestina , Paraguay , Poland , Portugal , Qatar , Reunion , Romania , Russian Federation , San Marino , Saudi Arabia , Serbia , Singapore , Slovakia , Slovenia , South Africa , Spain , Sri Lanka , Sudan , Switzerland , Sweden , Syrian Arab Republic , Taiwan , Tanzania , Thailand , Turkey , Uganda , Ukraine , United Arab Emirates , United Kingdom , Uruguay , Uzbekistan , USA, Vatican City , Venezuela , Vietnam , Yemen , Zambia , Zimbabwe, ...

from these countries can be free to transfer the number to your fixed Xxsim number, incoming call is 0.15€ in all roamfree country

EU to EU only 0.19€ all network and incoming call is free! SMS, 0.09€, data 0.50€ MB

Did you know that you can use Xxsim calling from 0800?

From the below countries, it's possible to call any XXSIM for free, using a toll free phone#. No matter where the XXSIM is located. When receiving a toll free call, EUR0.15/minute will be charged from the XXSIM balance, and the caller ID will be prefixed by 999. Example: A caller from the USA calls a mobile located in the United Arab Emirates, he dials the toll free phone# in the USA, then he composes the phone# of the XXSIM and the entire communications only costs EUR0.15/minute. List of toll free phone#:

List of toll free phone #

Australia: 1800424087 or 1800426571
Austria: 0800295331
Brazil: 08000385084
Canada: 18889354312
Cyprus: 80096439
France: 0800918762
Germany: 08001824205
Greece: 0080016122057807
Hong-Kong: 800967359
Israel: 1809246071
Mexico City: 525547772326
New Zealand: 0800449302
Russia: 81080028741012
Spain: 900967051
Switzerland: 0800802452
USA: 18889354312

Or from SKYPE 003728005xxxxxxx

:rolleyes: :D

Tip Top :cool:

user:EUSTAR please for god's sake, stop spamming us with xxsim's advertisments...

you're jealous :D

I have been reading articles on moneysaving expert and came across this article you maybe interested in. This is what happens when you unknowingly use high rate termination numbers Mobile Roaming: Cheapest Calls When You're Abroad - Page 45 - MoneySavingExpert.com Forums

"GOSIM Warning - and no doubt similar phone cards all operated by |||Ekit.com
We were recently caught out by the wording on the Gosim pages. You can receive calls for free on a UK mobile number +44. What is not made clear is that this is not a standard mobile number (although it looks like one) so it is not included in your free minutes. We have just had a bill of almost £1000.00 for calling our daughter (lots) as she is traveling round the world. Now don't get me wrong the concept of the number is very good however this MASSIVE FACT that you have to pay £0.31 minute to call from uk is tucked away on one page. The bottom line is either the caller or the receiver has to pick up the call charges and that is hard to find on all the literature
Use Free WIFI and Skype, Viber or Whatsapp".

Please keep it civil chaps, we all want the best deal and it is better if we give each other and visitors the best info possible.

EUSTAR you have already been warned by admin, please stop spamming and to be offensive to others...

Eustar and fsotirop please stop it here.
On this thread you can discuss about xxsim.
No need to promote this service, but simply to talk about its pros and cons. If Eustar has something to deal with xxsim I'd be grateful if he confirms it or not. Otherwise every user is free to say what he/she wants, in an educate way of course.