I use one phone for the Riiing SIM, and the numbers are stored on the phone in the callback company format eg 441.........# and on the SIM in ordinary format with +44etc. The phone is usually set on phone memory to use the DTMF sending as above, and I use the SIM memory via the menu dialling as required eg call balance. I think some people might find it as logical to have these the other way round, then the normal format phone memory would be usable with other SIMs.

You're right, it's a logical solution that you suggest. But you can't really avoid double typing the numbers or as least copying them from one memory to another (SIM2phone or vice versa) and editing later.
And how about USSD roaming sims like Hop? I guess you would suggest storing numbers "enriched" with necessary USSD stuff on the SIM, and "pure" (no leading +) numbers in the phone, right? Then SIM-stored numbers would be used for USSD based calling, and phone-stored numbers for CallerID and callback services...Did I miss anything? :)

calling cards i use recognise your mob number, so its pinless entry :)

Thanks! What brands are your calling cards or who is the provider and is there a website for rate comparison?

Do they work outside BULGARIA?

That is actually my issue..... The US cards I mentioned above DO NOT ALLOW PINLESS DIALING EXCEPT IN THE US. Now, pinless dialing is indeed a fine thing, but if I have to be at home to use them, then I have extra work to do entering pins, etc. when I travel overseas.

Stan

But it isn't so terrible - you can save the PIN in the phonebook with the number, and maybe even speed dials as well for common numbers like home, eg 0800....p......p*5

TRUE. BUT....

1. There are a limited # of speed dial "buttons" to program on the TREO and that is the only way I can do it on that device; phonebook does not work on the TREO that way.

2. GIVEN THE FACT THAT PINLESS DIALING is possible, WHY won't they allow it with ANY #, including a foreign cell phone?

Stan

I'm still not quite sure how pinless dialing (i.e. recognizing the card withou the PIN) is performed technically - by using Caller ID?
If so, perhaps the operators are afraid of reliability of foreign identification?

I don't know why not, but the same applies to my UK based one as well - from Germany I have the account and PIN saved with the access number, and 3 speed dials saved on the SIM.

I didn't mean speed dial of the phone keyboard; I meant speed dials set up in the account itself. Thus you don't need to open the phonebook midcall if the complete 3 part number is saved then dialled - eg 08001890116p210xxxxxx65p*5 - some SIMs seem to allow up to 3 up to 32 digit numbers; more would need to be in the phone memory instead (up to 48 characters I think)

In the same way, some callback companies allow setting up of some speed dials. This means it's possible to call home with as little as 3 key presses, one to start the callback, then eg 1#

Przemolog: TRUE, probably by caller id; don't see another way.

Andy:CBW allows speed dials TRUE. My favorite calling card (Enjoyprepaid)and its knock-off (cloncom connect) do not. Admit I
have NOT set up CBW speed dials as yet. I was not overseas last summer and mainly used PIN2DEST to call the family.

I thought you said you used a Bizon card. Does that allow speed dials? If it does, I may look into that. Which of your services allow speed dials?

Stan

Bizon only allows PINless dialling in USA (and maybe Canada - I haven't checked). You can register up to 6 numbers